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They agreed because they had no choice. College is basically forced on every high schooler to the point that your guidance counselors ask you which one you choo

They agreed because they had no choice. College is basically forced on every high schooler to the point that your guidance counselors ask you which one you choose and won’t take “none” as an answer. Ask me how I know. HR departments will also pass on your application unless it has a university listed. With the rising costs of tuition year after year, it’s becoming unreasonable. And when they’re not dischargable during bankruptcy, it’s giving a middle finger to the poor. Saying, “F you, I got mine” doesn’t solve anything. Something needs to be done about it.

gjs278 5y ago
BoorishBears 5y ago
I didn't go. Could have went for free even, still didn't go. During interviews for my current position as an L6 in the AV space I wasn't asked until a degree until post offer, and even that was a recruiter asking in passing. Turns out you can just... not go to college and learn things on your own. - I don't necessarily agree that people with bad loans should hang out to dry, but in my opinion this mess should fall on schools first. They got to use 18 year olds to cosign unsecured loans. Simple as that. A school can't ask a bank for a $500 million dollar unsecured loan. But it can ask tens of thousands of kids to each bring back 50k. Now that the jig is up I want to see for-profit schools held accountable for the practice. The class of people affected by this are not the worse off in this country. There are a lot of places where trillions of tax dollars could be a bigger help than college grads.
D13Fd 5y ago
> With the rising costs of tuition year after year, it’s becoming unreasonable. And when they’re not dischargable during bankruptcy, it’s giving a middle finger to the poor. Saying, “F you, I got mine” doesn’t solve anything. Something needs to be done about it. I completely agree. But loan forgiveness, more student loans, or lowering the risk/cost/burden of student loans will only put more money in the system and drive up prices. Tuition costs are a horrible situation that really needs to be fixed somehow. But loan forgiveness will only make things worse.
- xracy 5y ago
  Okay, then propose something better that will fix tuition costs. It's really easy to say "that'll never work", and really difficult to actually fix problems. If you want to make a contribution to internet forums, propose an alternative. Otherwise you're just an asshole on the internet. If it's the bigger problem, propose a better solution. And actively prove to me that not doing this is better than doing nothing. Because what you're proposing is the status quo, and we can both agree that's really shitty at the moment. Also, even if you fix tuition costs, it won't change the fact that there is a mountain of student loan debt that isn't going to get paid back. What should we do when people can't pay it back?
  - octopoc 5y ago
    Here are some proposals: 1. Fix the college accreditation process. Currently it involves colleges wining and dining accreditors for a week. Change the standards to be more practical and open up the possibility for more colleges. We could even change the accreditation so that it allows for things like trade school and apprenticeships. I think that would certainly fix tuition costs. 2. Push for making budgeting a required high school course in more high schools.
    - xracy 5y ago
      OR Get rid of superfluous school administration jobs. There's a lot of useless or superfluous middle management in colleges. But you're not going to get rid of them because they make the hiring decisions. 1. I don't know anything about the accreditation process, but sure, if there's excess spending there then not allowing people to bribe accreditors definitely seems like a positive decision. I can't imagine that fixes millions of dollars worth of tuition cost... But ultimately not opposed to it. 2. Famously high schools teaching people classes means they use it later on in life. Not saying we shouldn't teach people budgeting, just that I doubt that it will fix the number of kids that go to college when high schools also want people to go to college.

gjs278 5y ago

BoorishBears 5y ago

I didn't go. Could have went for free even, still didn't go. During interviews for my current position as an L6 in the AV space I wasn't asked until a degree until post offer, and even that was a recruiter asking in passing. Turns out you can just... not go to college and learn things on your own. - I don't necessarily agree that people with bad loans should hang out to dry, but in my opinion this mess should fall on schools first. They got to use 18 year olds to cosign unsecured loans. Simple as that. A school can't ask a bank for a $500 million dollar unsecured loan. But it can ask tens of thousands of kids to each bring back 50k. Now that the jig is up I want to see for-profit schools held accountable for the practice. The class of people affected by this are not the worse off in this country. There are a lot of places where trillions of tax dollars could be a bigger help than college grads.

D13Fd 5y ago

> With the rising costs of tuition year after year, it’s becoming unreasonable. And when they’re not dischargable during bankruptcy, it’s giving a middle finger to the poor. Saying, “F you, I got mine” doesn’t solve anything. Something needs to be done about it. I completely agree. But loan forgiveness, more student loans, or lowering the risk/cost/burden of student loans will only put more money in the system and drive up prices. Tuition costs are a horrible situation that really needs to be fixed somehow. But loan forgiveness will only make things worse.

xracy 5y ago
Okay, then propose something better that will fix tuition costs. It's really easy to say "that'll never work", and really difficult to actually fix problems. If you want to make a contribution to internet forums, propose an alternative. Otherwise you're just an asshole on the internet. If it's the bigger problem, propose a better solution. And actively prove to me that not doing this is better than doing nothing. Because what you're proposing is the status quo, and we can both agree that's really shitty at the moment. Also, even if you fix tuition costs, it won't change the fact that there is a mountain of student loan debt that isn't going to get paid back. What should we do when people can't pay it back?
- octopoc 5y ago
  Here are some proposals: 1. Fix the college accreditation process. Currently it involves colleges wining and dining accreditors for a week. Change the standards to be more practical and open up the possibility for more colleges. We could even change the accreditation so that it allows for things like trade school and apprenticeships. I think that would certainly fix tuition costs. 2. Push for making budgeting a required high school course in more high schools.
  - xracy 5y ago
    OR Get rid of superfluous school administration jobs. There's a lot of useless or superfluous middle management in colleges. But you're not going to get rid of them because they make the hiring decisions. 1. I don't know anything about the accreditation process, but sure, if there's excess spending there then not allowing people to bribe accreditors definitely seems like a positive decision. I can't imagine that fixes millions of dollars worth of tuition cost... But ultimately not opposed to it. 2. Famously high schools teaching people classes means they use it later on in life. Not saying we shouldn't teach people budgeting, just that I doubt that it will fix the number of kids that go to college when high schools also want people to go to college.