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What shitty red light cameras are these where the data is all secret? In my city, tickets from red light cameras include a video of the incident, which clearly

What shitty red light cameras are these where the data is all secret? In my city, tickets from red light cameras include a video of the incident, which clearly shows the car and traffic light. Is that really how it works elsewhere, they just send you a ticket saying "we caught you running a red light, please pay fine"? What happens if you show up to court to contest, can't you just point out they have literally no evidence?

chickenpotpie 5y ago
it is extremely easy to edit a green light to a red light, just partially delay the feed. Data is meaningless.
- sodality2 5y ago
  That implies malicious intent rather than a bug causing a false positive.
- amf12 5y ago
  > it is extremely easy to edit a green light to a red light, just partially delay the feed. Data is meaningless. It is extremely easy to tamper with most evidence, and there are ways to detect tampering.
- clusterfish 5y ago
  If they actually did it at scale they would run into conflicting dashcam footage very quickly, and the whole conspiracy would go belly up before bearing any fruit. If you think data is meaningless we should also remove police cruisers' dashcams and stop the rollout of body cams, I guess? Those aren't conspiracy-proof either.
causalmodels 5y ago
I'm not aware of governments just asking one to pay a fine. The thing that really bothers me is that it allows the state to perform legal action at scale. If a city, let's say Chicago, just started sending people ticket how many would just pay it? From what I've seen [0], my guess would be a lot. [0] https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/07/29/chicago-speed-camera-sign-time-mistakes/ https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/07/29/chicago-speed-camera...
- cmeacham98 5y ago
  I agree red light cameras are problematic for other reasons, but parent's claim specifically was that they were unconstitutional because the evidence can't be inspected.

chickenpotpie 5y ago

it is extremely easy to edit a green light to a red light, just partially delay the feed. Data is meaningless.

sodality2 5y ago
That implies malicious intent rather than a bug causing a false positive.
amf12 5y ago
> it is extremely easy to edit a green light to a red light, just partially delay the feed. Data is meaningless. It is extremely easy to tamper with most evidence, and there are ways to detect tampering.
clusterfish 5y ago
If they actually did it at scale they would run into conflicting dashcam footage very quickly, and the whole conspiracy would go belly up before bearing any fruit. If you think data is meaningless we should also remove police cruisers' dashcams and stop the rollout of body cams, I guess? Those aren't conspiracy-proof either.

causalmodels 5y ago

I'm not aware of governments just asking one to pay a fine. The thing that really bothers me is that it allows the state to perform legal action at scale. If a city, let's say Chicago, just started sending people ticket how many would just pay it? From what I've seen [0], my guess would be a lot. [0] https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/07/29/chicago-speed-camera-sign-time-mistakes/ https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/07/29/chicago-speed-camera...

cmeacham98 5y ago
I agree red light cameras are problematic for other reasons, but parent's claim specifically was that they were unconstitutional because the evidence can't be inspected.