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This letter is timed with our Series B announcement today! We just did a 1hr livestream here giving context and answering Q&A: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E

by swyx 5y ago

This letter is timed with our Series B announcement today! We just did a 1hr livestream here giving context and answering Q&A: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E40KwlxZJFI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E40KwlxZJFI Additional coverage for more info: - https://www.geekwire.com/2022/temporal-is-a-unicorn-developer-productivity-startup-lands-120m-at-1-5b-valuation/ https://www.geekwire.com/2022/temporal-is-a-unicorn-develope... - https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/16/temporal_103m_funding/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/16/temporal_103m_funding... - https://siliconangle.com/2022/02/16/temporal-raises-103-million-accelerate-development-stateful-cloud-applications/ https://siliconangle.com/2022/02/16/temporal-raises-103-mill... - https://dailyuknews.com/tech/temporal-raises-103m-in-series-b-funding/ https://dailyuknews.com/tech/temporal-raises-103m-in-series-... - https://finance.yahoo.com/news/temporal-io-raises-103-million-170000698.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/temporal-io-raises-103-millio... - https://www.computerweekly.com/blog/CW-Developer-Network/Temporal-calls-time-on-cloud-app-state-management https://www.computerweekly.com/blog/CW-Developer-Network/Tem... - https://www.indexventures.com/perspectives/everything-is-a-workflow-our-investment-in-temporal/ https://www.indexventures.com/perspectives/everything-is-a-w...

ctvo 5y ago
Love Temporal. Hope you solve the infrastructure and cloud story with this. The biggest pain point is still deploying and configuring a production environment. I started suspecting it was so awful and poorly documented to push us to using the cloud offering, but then I couldn’t even find a link to sign up for cloud.
- swyx 5y ago
  yup. we are equal opportunity awful! real answer is it's just really hard. even for us, much less the general developer audience. i wrote the docs we do have, and yeah it shows and I'm not proud of it. Temporal's initial demographic was entirely self sufficient in terms of devops knowledge to take the helm charts and docker stuff we have and translate it to their environment, and read source code/talk to us to fill in any gaps. But as we grow then we'll have to provide more and more rails for people who don't do that stuff. tldr we hear you and a big chunk of this money will go toward both better docs and training for both open source and cloud users.
  - ctvo 5y ago
    > Temporal's initial demographic was entirely self sufficient in terms of devops knowledge to take the helm charts and docker stuff we have and translate it to their environment, and read source code/talk to us to fill in any gaps. I ended up writing a set of AWS CDK constructs internally to provision clusters via ECS + EC2, with best practices baked in, but knowing what the best practices are is a little more difficult. I would prefer not learning through getting burned :)
    - swyx 5y ago
      we’re working with users to identify what those are. mostly when you understand the moving parts of the system you can drive them from first principles. but of course as we grow we should try to do better.
jffry 5y ago
Congratulations! (EDIT: links got fixed) For clickable links, remove the leading spaces so it doesn't get formatted as plaintext, and make newlines double to avoid them all being on one line
- swyx 5y ago
  ah thanks... fixed! you would think i would know that having been on HN for like 7 years but i obviously dont do this very often
dang 5y ago
I've changed the URL from https://docs.temporal.io/blog/series-b-announcement-open-letter/ https://docs.temporal.io/blog/series-b-announcement-open-let... to what looks like the most informative of those other articles. (Generally the best third-party article makes for a more interesting thread than a corporate press release does - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=corporate%20press%20release%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor....) If there's a better article, we can change it again.

by swyx 5y ago

ctvo 5y ago

Love Temporal. Hope you solve the infrastructure and cloud story with this. The biggest pain point is still deploying and configuring a production environment. I started suspecting it was so awful and poorly documented to push us to using the cloud offering, but then I couldn’t even find a link to sign up for cloud.

swyx 5y ago
yup. we are equal opportunity awful! real answer is it's just really hard. even for us, much less the general developer audience. i wrote the docs we do have, and yeah it shows and I'm not proud of it. Temporal's initial demographic was entirely self sufficient in terms of devops knowledge to take the helm charts and docker stuff we have and translate it to their environment, and read source code/talk to us to fill in any gaps. But as we grow then we'll have to provide more and more rails for people who don't do that stuff. tldr we hear you and a big chunk of this money will go toward both better docs and training for both open source and cloud users.
- ctvo 5y ago
  > Temporal's initial demographic was entirely self sufficient in terms of devops knowledge to take the helm charts and docker stuff we have and translate it to their environment, and read source code/talk to us to fill in any gaps. I ended up writing a set of AWS CDK constructs internally to provision clusters via ECS + EC2, with best practices baked in, but knowing what the best practices are is a little more difficult. I would prefer not learning through getting burned :)
  - swyx 5y ago
    we’re working with users to identify what those are. mostly when you understand the moving parts of the system you can drive them from first principles. but of course as we grow we should try to do better.

jffry 5y ago

Congratulations! (EDIT: links got fixed) For clickable links, remove the leading spaces so it doesn't get formatted as plaintext, and make newlines double to avoid them all being on one line

swyx 5y ago
ah thanks... fixed! you would think i would know that having been on HN for like 7 years but i obviously dont do this very often

dang 5y ago

I've changed the URL from https://docs.temporal.io/blog/series-b-announcement-open-letter/ https://docs.temporal.io/blog/series-b-announcement-open-let... to what looks like the most informative of those other articles. (Generally the best third-party article makes for a more interesting thread than a corporate press release does - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=corporate%20press%20release%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor....) If there's a better article, we can change it again.