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I wonder legally how 'loud' is assessed. A microphone is subject to a number of environmental anomalies- wind direction, a box truck next to a vehicle reflectin

I wonder legally how 'loud' is assessed. A microphone is subject to a number of environmental anomalies- wind direction, a box truck next to a vehicle reflecting sound back to the mic etc. A camera is a good visual representation of a vehicle being over a line, visual location speeding evidence accompanying data etc. This pilot project seems dangerously arbitrary. (Not a fan of overly loud vehicles but I am of civil liberties).

Gigachad 5y ago
One acceptable method would be that getting caught subjects you to having an inspection done to test your vehicle. With enough cameras, it would become too difficult to keep swapping parts for tests.
- olivermarks 5y ago
  My thoughts were really about 'getting caught': being summoned because some other vehicle was making a lot of noise, or there was background noise and your vehicle was then tagged, resulting in your having to spend time and money going for government inspections is highly questionable. It also raises a lot of other civil liberties issues about public recording
  - Gigachad 5y ago
    I think this is just an acceptable responsibility that comes with driving on roads. When you have the ability to cause massive amounts of damage, you have to accept that there is a lot of regulation and compliance to deal with to keep this damage under control. You wouldn't think twice about requiring private pilots to be subject to all kinds of safety and management rules and I think it's fair the same applies to roads. If you don't want to take on this responsibility, take a train or bicycle.
    - olivermarks 5y ago
      People have been 'driving on roads' for over 100 years. Why do you think more and more regulation and oversight is now necessary, coupled with endless penalties? Surely train operators and cyclists (the latter often don't seem to think the rules of the road apply to them, endangering others) have similar concerns
      - Gigachad 5y ago
        Because more people live in cities than ever before and more value is being put on having quality sleep and quiet. Cities need to be transformed in to the nicest places to live to lower housing costs and help the environment. One of the most impactful things that can be done is catching the very tiny percent of people causing basically all the noise. It should also be in the hands of the people who live there. If you want to drive through an area, you should be subject to measures set by the people of that area.

Gigachad 5y ago

One acceptable method would be that getting caught subjects you to having an inspection done to test your vehicle. With enough cameras, it would become too difficult to keep swapping parts for tests.

olivermarks 5y ago
My thoughts were really about 'getting caught': being summoned because some other vehicle was making a lot of noise, or there was background noise and your vehicle was then tagged, resulting in your having to spend time and money going for government inspections is highly questionable. It also raises a lot of other civil liberties issues about public recording
- Gigachad 5y ago
  I think this is just an acceptable responsibility that comes with driving on roads. When you have the ability to cause massive amounts of damage, you have to accept that there is a lot of regulation and compliance to deal with to keep this damage under control. You wouldn't think twice about requiring private pilots to be subject to all kinds of safety and management rules and I think it's fair the same applies to roads. If you don't want to take on this responsibility, take a train or bicycle.
  - olivermarks 5y ago
    People have been 'driving on roads' for over 100 years. Why do you think more and more regulation and oversight is now necessary, coupled with endless penalties? Surely train operators and cyclists (the latter often don't seem to think the rules of the road apply to them, endangering others) have similar concerns
    - Gigachad 5y ago
      Because more people live in cities than ever before and more value is being put on having quality sleep and quiet. Cities need to be transformed in to the nicest places to live to lower housing costs and help the environment. One of the most impactful things that can be done is catching the very tiny percent of people causing basically all the noise. It should also be in the hands of the people who live there. If you want to drive through an area, you should be subject to measures set by the people of that area.