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I've been a gnome user for well over a decade. What's common to hear from people like you who have a good level of understanding the ecosystem and the community

I've been a gnome user for well over a decade. What's common to hear from people like you who have a good level of understanding the ecosystem and the community is that Gnome developers consistently make shitty design decisions and refuse to take input from a wider audience. What is the reason for no group emerging, forking gnome and doing it the right way? I'd actually pay to support such efforts.

yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
Isn't that exactly what cinnamon and mate did?
zozbot234 5y ago
That's what XFCE is. (And MATE of course!) Now that they uniformly use Gtk3+, they could even try to achieve better touch readiness than even Gnome itself!
- oblio 5y ago
  XFCE didn't fork Gnome, though. It was a CDE clone at the start. It just uses Gtk, but otherwise it doesn't really copy Gnome much.
yepthatsreality 5y ago
It’s not forked from Gnome but KDE tends to stay out of your way pretty easily and supports just as much as Gnome (with some Wayland caveats) if not more. In fact KDE community is very responsive and if you participate you will likely experience and benefit from the momentum they have.
- malermeister 5y ago
  I find touch support much worse on KDE unfortunately. GNOME works really well on my surface pro, KDE, not so much.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    I wish I could get any Linux on my Surface Pro 3. That thing heats up to 60c within 5 minutes of turning it on, and then randomly freezes. This is how I learned about the awesome feature Wayland has where you can't reload your session like you can in x11...
    - malermeister 5y ago
      Are you running the surface-linux kernel? The SP3 should be well-supported! https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface/wiki/Supported-Devices-and-Features#feature-matrix https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface/wiki/Supporte...
jcelerier 5y ago
You'd need a really big lot of $s to go beyond RedHat/IBM's budget ; you wouldn't hear as many complaints if GNOME wasn't the default DE on so many distros.
smoldesu 5y ago
> What is the reason for no group emerging, forking gnome and doing it the right way? I'd actually pay to support such efforts. That's basically what happened with XFCE, MATE, Cinnamon and Budgie, the rest of the userbase is pretty contented with other desktops like Plasma that can fill most of the same gaps. With that being said, I too would fund a GTK2 or GTK3 fork if I could be promised developers who don't swing their ego around like a sledgehammer and refuse to apologize when things break. The GNOME project is starting to be the albatross of Linux development, and while I'm happy to develop with GTK3 ad-infinitum, I do hope that a fork emerges from someone more capable (and with more free time) than me. Come to think of it, it's kinda crazy how most modern DEs are made just because of how tired people are running the GNOME treadmill.

yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago

Isn't that exactly what cinnamon and mate did?

zozbot234 5y ago

That's what XFCE is. (And MATE of course!) Now that they uniformly use Gtk3+, they could even try to achieve better touch readiness than even Gnome itself!

oblio 5y ago
XFCE didn't fork Gnome, though. It was a CDE clone at the start. It just uses Gtk, but otherwise it doesn't really copy Gnome much.

yepthatsreality 5y ago

It’s not forked from Gnome but KDE tends to stay out of your way pretty easily and supports just as much as Gnome (with some Wayland caveats) if not more. In fact KDE community is very responsive and if you participate you will likely experience and benefit from the momentum they have.

malermeister 5y ago
I find touch support much worse on KDE unfortunately. GNOME works really well on my surface pro, KDE, not so much.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  I wish I could get any Linux on my Surface Pro 3. That thing heats up to 60c within 5 minutes of turning it on, and then randomly freezes. This is how I learned about the awesome feature Wayland has where you can't reload your session like you can in x11...
  - malermeister 5y ago
    Are you running the surface-linux kernel? The SP3 should be well-supported! https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface/wiki/Supported-Devices-and-Features#feature-matrix https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface/wiki/Supporte...

jcelerier 5y ago

You'd need a really big lot of $s to go beyond RedHat/IBM's budget ; you wouldn't hear as many complaints if GNOME wasn't the default DE on so many distros.

smoldesu 5y ago

> What is the reason for no group emerging, forking gnome and doing it the right way? I'd actually pay to support such efforts. That's basically what happened with XFCE, MATE, Cinnamon and Budgie, the rest of the userbase is pretty contented with other desktops like Plasma that can fill most of the same gaps. With that being said, I too would fund a GTK2 or GTK3 fork if I could be promised developers who don't swing their ego around like a sledgehammer and refuse to apologize when things break. The GNOME project is starting to be the albatross of Linux development, and while I'm happy to develop with GTK3 ad-infinitum, I do hope that a fork emerges from someone more capable (and with more free time) than me. Come to think of it, it's kinda crazy how most modern DEs are made just because of how tired people are running the GNOME treadmill.