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> but at the same time making it nearly impossible to opt out of their telemetry It is one checkbox in the settings. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/share

> but at the same time making it nearly impossible to opt out of their telemetry It is one checkbox in the settings. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/share-data-mozilla-help-improve-firefox https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/share-data-mozilla-help... Two if you don't want to be put into studies - I don't think Origin Trials in Chrome can be opted out of at all (if you know how, it'd be nice to tell us).

marginalia_nu 5y ago
No, that only disables some telemetry. Here are some of the options you need to disable: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/joef72/is_there_any_way_to_disable_firefox_telemetry/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/joef72/is_t... Be sure to read the top comment. They are also doing this bullshit, which isn't even a little bit OK: https://mozilla.github.io/normandy/index.html https://mozilla.github.io/normandy/index.html > Two if you don't want to be put into studies - I don't think Origin Trials in Chrome can be opted out of at all (if you know how, it'd be nice to tell us). What Chrome does is completely irrelevant. I don't want a browser that is less bad than Chrome, I want one that is good.
- yoasif_ 5y ago
  From what I recall, the reason for the telemetry opt out telemetry is because they wanted to know whether the telemetry data was actually representative. Personally, I think it is totally fair to open a bug or submit an idea revisiting whether this is necessary anymore. I would assume that they now have a pretty good idea of what the opt out rate is in the wild. If you file a bug, please post it, because I'd be curious to follow what happens afterwards.
  - marginalia_nu 5y ago
    I honestly don't care how they rationalize it, either they respect their users' privacy, or they don't. They have demonstrably chosen the second option. Having opt-out telemetry and experiments is really bad. Not actually disabling the telemetry when you opt out of it is absolutely inexcusable. There is just no other way of interpreting it than that they don't give a flying fuck about what their users want. The fact that they want the data is enough to disregard any choices made by the users. Pretty much every single violation of privacy can be rationalized with someone feeling like they need the data for some reason or another. Mozilla does not get special dispensation to spy on their users.
    - yoasif_ 5y ago
      I feel like you are just ranting at this point. You can try to be part of the solution by making your case to the project - your choice.
      - marginalia_nu 5y ago
        Mozilla's actions not living up to their lofty words is not a bug in the software. Half of the problematic features have little to no legitimate reason to exist in the first place.

marginalia_nu 5y ago

No, that only disables some telemetry. Here are some of the options you need to disable: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/joef72/is_there_any_way_to_disable_firefox_telemetry/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/joef72/is_t... Be sure to read the top comment. They are also doing this bullshit, which isn't even a little bit OK: https://mozilla.github.io/normandy/index.html https://mozilla.github.io/normandy/index.html > Two if you don't want to be put into studies - I don't think Origin Trials in Chrome can be opted out of at all (if you know how, it'd be nice to tell us). What Chrome does is completely irrelevant. I don't want a browser that is less bad than Chrome, I want one that is good.

yoasif_ 5y ago
From what I recall, the reason for the telemetry opt out telemetry is because they wanted to know whether the telemetry data was actually representative. Personally, I think it is totally fair to open a bug or submit an idea revisiting whether this is necessary anymore. I would assume that they now have a pretty good idea of what the opt out rate is in the wild. If you file a bug, please post it, because I'd be curious to follow what happens afterwards.
- marginalia_nu 5y ago
  I honestly don't care how they rationalize it, either they respect their users' privacy, or they don't. They have demonstrably chosen the second option. Having opt-out telemetry and experiments is really bad. Not actually disabling the telemetry when you opt out of it is absolutely inexcusable. There is just no other way of interpreting it than that they don't give a flying fuck about what their users want. The fact that they want the data is enough to disregard any choices made by the users. Pretty much every single violation of privacy can be rationalized with someone feeling like they need the data for some reason or another. Mozilla does not get special dispensation to spy on their users.
  - yoasif_ 5y ago
    I feel like you are just ranting at this point. You can try to be part of the solution by making your case to the project - your choice.
    - marginalia_nu 5y ago
      Mozilla's actions not living up to their lofty words is not a bug in the software. Half of the problematic features have little to no legitimate reason to exist in the first place.