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My point is that, in 2022, the overwhelming majority of people do have the necessary resources required to run Electron apps on their laptops and desktops. My

My point is that, in 2022, the overwhelming majority of people do have the necessary resources required to run Electron apps on their laptops and desktops. My view is backed up by the fact that people do exactly this, with great success. The complaint about memory is not reflective of the typical user experience.

otterley 5y ago
The fact that multiple people here are telling you that they have experienced RAM shortages and swapping due to excessive consumption speaks for itself.
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  The fact that you think a small handful of anecdotes is a meaningful or representative sample size speaks for itself.
  - otterley 5y ago
    Then please show us the data that backs you up.
    - TameAntelope 5y ago
      No, you've been hostile and non-cooperative this whole time, my allocation for time spent with people like that is more or less up. If you're actually curious, you can figure it out for yourself.
      - otterley 5y ago
        That was a very evasive way of saying, "I don't have it." Thanks for playing, though!
        TameAntelope 5y ago
        The fact that you need me to "show data" that Moore's Law exists is, in and of itself, hostile, but on top of that this comment pretty solidly demonstrates that my intuition is correct.
        otterley 5y ago
        You are the one who came in here and disputed my claim (and those of others as well) without a single shred of evidence. You still refuse to substantiate your disagreement. Nobody is disputing Moore's Law (and this is the first time you've brought it up!). The dispute is around whether people still experience slowdowns and other bad experiences as a result of excessive memory consumption relative to resources, despite Moore's Law. I and several other people have told you right here that they have, and you refuse to acknowledge our collective experience largely because you personally haven't shared this experience. My ego isn't bruised. But I and others reasonably expect significantly more than a "drive-by" non-substantive negation of a claim that comes directly from personal and professional experience (i.e., gaslighting) -- especially on Hacker News, where the audience is supposed to be largely composed of mathematicians, scientists, and others who possess better-than-average ability to think deeply, logically, and in a nuanced fashion.
        TameAntelope 5y ago
        You are wrong when you say, "Memory is a precious resource." No "precious resource" doubles every two years. You can either accept that objective fact, or you can continue to try and weasel your way around it, but the fact will remain.
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        otterley 5y ago
        First, average primary system memory in a typical laptop does not double every two years. Growth of average installed memory has been linear, not exponential (see, e.g., https://techtalk.pcmatic.com/research-charts-memory/ https://techtalk.pcmatic.com/research-charts-memory/). Second, even if it did grow, software can consume memory faster than it can be provisioned; there's no law that prevents software developers from writing software that utilizes an arbitrary amount of memory. Put differently, adding more memory does not necessarily ensure the software will not consume it, in the same way that adding more freeway lanes is not a guarantee that gridlock will not ensue, or that moving from an apartment into a mansion is not a guarantee that it won't get filled with stuff.

otterley 5y ago

The fact that multiple people here are telling you that they have experienced RAM shortages and swapping due to excessive consumption speaks for itself.

TameAntelope 5y ago
The fact that you think a small handful of anecdotes is a meaningful or representative sample size speaks for itself.
- otterley 5y ago
  Then please show us the data that backs you up.
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    No, you've been hostile and non-cooperative this whole time, my allocation for time spent with people like that is more or less up. If you're actually curious, you can figure it out for yourself.
    - otterley 5y ago
      That was a very evasive way of saying, "I don't have it." Thanks for playing, though!
      - TameAntelope 5y ago
        The fact that you need me to "show data" that Moore's Law exists is, in and of itself, hostile, but on top of that this comment pretty solidly demonstrates that my intuition is correct.
        otterley 5y ago
        You are the one who came in here and disputed my claim (and those of others as well) without a single shred of evidence. You still refuse to substantiate your disagreement. Nobody is disputing Moore's Law (and this is the first time you've brought it up!). The dispute is around whether people still experience slowdowns and other bad experiences as a result of excessive memory consumption relative to resources, despite Moore's Law. I and several other people have told you right here that they have, and you refuse to acknowledge our collective experience largely because you personally haven't shared this experience. My ego isn't bruised. But I and others reasonably expect significantly more than a "drive-by" non-substantive negation of a claim that comes directly from personal and professional experience (i.e., gaslighting) -- especially on Hacker News, where the audience is supposed to be largely composed of mathematicians, scientists, and others who possess better-than-average ability to think deeply, logically, and in a nuanced fashion.
        TameAntelope 5y ago
        You are wrong when you say, "Memory is a precious resource." No "precious resource" doubles every two years. You can either accept that objective fact, or you can continue to try and weasel your way around it, but the fact will remain.
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        otterley 5y ago
        First, average primary system memory in a typical laptop does not double every two years. Growth of average installed memory has been linear, not exponential (see, e.g., https://techtalk.pcmatic.com/research-charts-memory/ https://techtalk.pcmatic.com/research-charts-memory/). Second, even if it did grow, software can consume memory faster than it can be provisioned; there's no law that prevents software developers from writing software that utilizes an arbitrary amount of memory. Put differently, adding more memory does not necessarily ensure the software will not consume it, in the same way that adding more freeway lanes is not a guarantee that gridlock will not ensue, or that moving from an apartment into a mansion is not a guarantee that it won't get filled with stuff.