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Anecdata: everyone in my circle that had Pfizer or Moderna got Omnicron. Those of us who had J&J (and the two idiots who were never vaccinated and got Delta) di

Anecdata: everyone in my circle that had Pfizer or Moderna got Omnicron. Those of us who had J&J (and the two idiots who were never vaccinated and got Delta) did not, despite many hours indoors with the omnis. Some studies suggest that J&J triggers a similar immunity as an infection, and so was more effective against omnicron, but as J&J has become a disavowed vaccines there aren't many studies on it anymore.

morebsfromnat 5y ago
> and the two idiots who were never vaccinated Why does this make them idiots? Maybe they reviewed the trial data and observed the increased all-cause mortality in the vaccinated group, looked at the history of rushed vaccines, looked at the list of unknowns regarding mRNA technology, and decided "no thanks". Indeed, hindsight is proving those "idiots" to be quite the opposite.
- lern_too_spel 5y ago
  All cause mortality is lower in the vaccinated group. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211025/people-vacccinated-covid-less-likely-die-any-cause-study https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021102... Deaths in the trial were at a rate consistent with the normal mortality rate for people with their background. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pfizer-health-concerns-idUSKBN28K2R6 https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pfizer-health-c...
  - hajile 5y ago
    The data isn’t in yet. In tone age brackets, myocarditis rates are very High. Accounting for 1% average reporting rates and the possibility for undiagnosed cases, the long term survival rate for unvaccinated young people could be higher. There are also concerns about the effects of lipid nanoparticles. They spread Throughout the body (pfizer flatly lied about them staying in the muscle tissue) and no long term study about them was done by pfizer or moderna. Other studies on the topic show them to be extremely harmful and even lethal in animals. It seems like each shot just builds up more in your system too.
    - lern_too_spel 5y ago
      Accounting for 1% average reporting rates among the unvaccinated, the case for the vaccine is just as strong. Lipids break down in the body and do not bioaccumulate. https://www.cas.org/resource/blog/understanding-nanotechnology-covid-19-vaccines https://www.cas.org/resource/blog/understanding-nanotechnolo... Presumably, your animal study is https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-mice-idUSKBN2A22UW https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-mice-idUSKBN2A2..., which has nothing to do with the Covid vaccines.
- yellowapple 5y ago
  > and observed the increased all-cause mortality in the vaccinated group While ignoring the increased all-cause mortality in the "unvaccinated with COVID" group. That's what makes them idiots.
mullingitover 5y ago
Another data point: my dad got J&J, didn't get the booster, got omicron, ended up in the hospital with pneumonia and in the early stages of kidney failure.
JohnTHaller 5y ago
Other anecdata: I had Pfizer, my girlfriend had Moderna, we both had Covid back in March 2020. Neither of us got Omnicron despite exposure. A friend who had Covid early on and had J&J did get Omnicron.
hajile 5y ago
A lot of misinformation is circulating about the J&J vaccine. It works by infecting your body with an adenovirus that allegedly can’t reproduce. When it infects your cells, it forces them to produce spike protein. Your body then creates antibodies against these proteins. If you have an immunity to a similar adenovirus, most of the vaccine will be killed off. Likewise, after being vaccinated, your body develops an immunity to the vaccine. The only differences with the mRNA vaccine in antibodies would arise from slightly different spike proteins being generated by the cells. The rest of the antibodies are gained from the rest of the COVID virus, but those don’t exist in the adenovirus, so there’s no way it uses creating them. At most, the antibodies against the adenovirus might have some little incidental effect. If it were a large effect then we’d expect tons of people to have immunity and covid would not be novel. Finally I’ll add that J&J is hardly “traditional”. Despite the marketing, only two other viral vector vaccines have been created for humans —- they were both emergency Ebola vaccines released in 2016 and 2019 respectively. 3-5 years and two emergency vaccines is hardly what anyone would believe traditional means.

morebsfromnat 5y ago

> and the two idiots who were never vaccinated Why does this make them idiots? Maybe they reviewed the trial data and observed the increased all-cause mortality in the vaccinated group, looked at the history of rushed vaccines, looked at the list of unknowns regarding mRNA technology, and decided "no thanks". Indeed, hindsight is proving those "idiots" to be quite the opposite.

lern_too_spel 5y ago
All cause mortality is lower in the vaccinated group. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211025/people-vacccinated-covid-less-likely-die-any-cause-study https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021102... Deaths in the trial were at a rate consistent with the normal mortality rate for people with their background. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pfizer-health-concerns-idUSKBN28K2R6 https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pfizer-health-c...
- hajile 5y ago
  The data isn’t in yet. In tone age brackets, myocarditis rates are very High. Accounting for 1% average reporting rates and the possibility for undiagnosed cases, the long term survival rate for unvaccinated young people could be higher. There are also concerns about the effects of lipid nanoparticles. They spread Throughout the body (pfizer flatly lied about them staying in the muscle tissue) and no long term study about them was done by pfizer or moderna. Other studies on the topic show them to be extremely harmful and even lethal in animals. It seems like each shot just builds up more in your system too.
  - lern_too_spel 5y ago
    Accounting for 1% average reporting rates among the unvaccinated, the case for the vaccine is just as strong. Lipids break down in the body and do not bioaccumulate. https://www.cas.org/resource/blog/understanding-nanotechnology-covid-19-vaccines https://www.cas.org/resource/blog/understanding-nanotechnolo... Presumably, your animal study is https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-mice-idUSKBN2A22UW https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-mice-idUSKBN2A2..., which has nothing to do with the Covid vaccines.
yellowapple 5y ago
> and observed the increased all-cause mortality in the vaccinated group While ignoring the increased all-cause mortality in the "unvaccinated with COVID" group. That's what makes them idiots.

mullingitover 5y ago

Another data point: my dad got J&J, didn't get the booster, got omicron, ended up in the hospital with pneumonia and in the early stages of kidney failure.

JohnTHaller 5y ago

Other anecdata: I had Pfizer, my girlfriend had Moderna, we both had Covid back in March 2020. Neither of us got Omnicron despite exposure. A friend who had Covid early on and had J&J did get Omnicron.

hajile 5y ago

A lot of misinformation is circulating about the J&J vaccine. It works by infecting your body with an adenovirus that allegedly can’t reproduce. When it infects your cells, it forces them to produce spike protein. Your body then creates antibodies against these proteins. If you have an immunity to a similar adenovirus, most of the vaccine will be killed off. Likewise, after being vaccinated, your body develops an immunity to the vaccine. The only differences with the mRNA vaccine in antibodies would arise from slightly different spike proteins being generated by the cells. The rest of the antibodies are gained from the rest of the COVID virus, but those don’t exist in the adenovirus, so there’s no way it uses creating them. At most, the antibodies against the adenovirus might have some little incidental effect. If it were a large effect then we’d expect tons of people to have immunity and covid would not be novel. Finally I’ll add that J&J is hardly “traditional”. Despite the marketing, only two other viral vector vaccines have been created for humans —- they were both emergency Ebola vaccines released in 2016 and 2019 respectively. 3-5 years and two emergency vaccines is hardly what anyone would believe traditional means.