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TBH that's a very baffling definition of conservatism to me. Makes me wonder what the root of your defined values are.

by Cd00d 5y ago

throwaway22032 5y ago
First search result, Wikipedia: Conservatism Conservatism is an aesthetic, cultural, social, and political philosophy, which seeks to promote and to preserve traditional social institutions. Literally that; I place value in traditional social institutions. Like my University, my local pub, the office, lecture halls, and yeah, the handshake. Freedom of travel. That stuff. I think they're more important than coronavirus nonsense. A lot more. Certainly now, so now we have to fight to get them back to where they were. They're worth as much to me as one of my limbs would be, they're life itself.
- nicoburns 5y ago
  To be fair, the reason freedom of travel has been limited is precisely because the virus has the power to take away people's lives and also the health of their vital organs (e.g heart, lungs). I think it's reasonable to want to fight for normality and tradition, but there has to be a balance. Here in the UK we're nearly there. Our government is considering removing all restrictions sometime in the next 2 months (it may end up being a bit more phased - lot's of people are in favour of continuing to mandate self-isolation when you actually currently have the virus). If you want that where you live then consider advocating for vaccination uptake, because that's what's allowing us to make these changes here without triggering a public health crisis.
  - throwaway22032 5y ago
    I live in the UK and my balance throughout has been "completely ignore all of the scaremongering". 1% risk of death. Wait, now sub 0.1%, thx vaccine. Meanwhile schools are still in dystopia mode, Universities are nothing like they were when I went, almost every job in my field is gone, shitloads of businesses have permaclosed, etc. We can't even reverse it now, loads of it is baked in. Remove all legal restrictions and half of the people are still wearing face masks and avoiding socialising 'cus Covid'. March-May 2020 kind of sort of made sense (I still think we could have just asked people rather than using legal force but whatever). Beyond that, sunk cost after sunk cost and just an increasingly bizarre game of one-upmanship "look, I can make my life worse than yours!". _This_ is radicalization - believing an ever deepening web of bollocks and as a result drastically changing one's way of interacting with the world. They don't even remember how they used to live and why. I stand by my statement - it is conservative to accept a slightly increased risk in order to maintain our traditions. It is radical to flip the world on a dime. (The UK Conservative Party is emphatically not conservative by any reasonable definition).
    - pessimizer 5y ago
      Fighting against the germ theory of disease is definitely conservatism.
      - throwaway22032 5y ago
        The germ theory of disease is well established, what's that got to do with the price of fish?
- LoveGracePeace 5y ago
  A lot of people including me (and I'm old, conservative, technical geek) are not actively social. Not being actively social is not at all the same as antisocial. Antisocial is associated with a negative behavioral aspect, a disorder potentially. Not wanting to have a beer at the pub doesn't make me antisocial. I don't mind shaking hands but, from a medical perspective it seems like a tradition that would best be left in the past.
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  - throwaway22032 5y ago
    Disagree on the last part (coronavirus is not transferred much if at all via hands), agree on the rest of the post. If you don't enjoy the pub that's fine, different strokes for different folks. That's why we have freedom of association, I hang out with my people, you with yours, job done. What I'm calling antisocial is bans, restrictions, shame, etc etc. The virus is out there and basically everyone is gonna get it, turning onto each other is hate for the sake of hate.
    - em-bee 5y ago
      refusing to hang out with me because i don't drink makes you antisocial though. when i hang out with my friends many have a beer while me and some others don't and nobody is bothered by that. that's what makes us social. our drinking habits don't factor into it at all.
      - throwaway22032 5y ago
        Agree.
    - WWLink 5y ago
      > Disagree on the last part (coronavirus is not transferred much if at all via hands), agree on the rest of the post. Dude I've been in enough public bathrooms to never want to touch some random stranger's hand. You know how many people I've seen go from the toilet straight out the door? TOO MANY. Too many people on the internet who were like "My hands are clean, my privates are clean, I never touched anything dirty!" or whatever. EUGH. GROSS.
- Cd00d 5y ago
  Hey, I get it - the pandemic has been very hard and very frustrating. But, please consider that you're not doing any favors to your beloved institutions by being rude to your peers there as a result of your assumptions about what motivates them.
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TBH that's a very baffling definition of conservatism to me. Makes me wonder what the root of your defined values are.

by Cd00d 5y ago

TBH that's a very baffling definition of conservatism to me. Makes me wonder what the root of your defined values are.

throwaway22032 5y ago

First search result, Wikipedia: Conservatism Conservatism is an aesthetic, cultural, social, and political philosophy, which seeks to promote and to preserve traditional social institutions. Literally that; I place value in traditional social institutions. Like my University, my local pub, the office, lecture halls, and yeah, the handshake. Freedom of travel. That stuff. I think they're more important than coronavirus nonsense. A lot more. Certainly now, so now we have to fight to get them back to where they were. They're worth as much to me as one of my limbs would be, they're life itself.

nicoburns 5y ago
To be fair, the reason freedom of travel has been limited is precisely because the virus has the power to take away people's lives and also the health of their vital organs (e.g heart, lungs). I think it's reasonable to want to fight for normality and tradition, but there has to be a balance. Here in the UK we're nearly there. Our government is considering removing all restrictions sometime in the next 2 months (it may end up being a bit more phased - lot's of people are in favour of continuing to mandate self-isolation when you actually currently have the virus). If you want that where you live then consider advocating for vaccination uptake, because that's what's allowing us to make these changes here without triggering a public health crisis.
- throwaway22032 5y ago
  I live in the UK and my balance throughout has been "completely ignore all of the scaremongering". 1% risk of death. Wait, now sub 0.1%, thx vaccine. Meanwhile schools are still in dystopia mode, Universities are nothing like they were when I went, almost every job in my field is gone, shitloads of businesses have permaclosed, etc. We can't even reverse it now, loads of it is baked in. Remove all legal restrictions and half of the people are still wearing face masks and avoiding socialising 'cus Covid'. March-May 2020 kind of sort of made sense (I still think we could have just asked people rather than using legal force but whatever). Beyond that, sunk cost after sunk cost and just an increasingly bizarre game of one-upmanship "look, I can make my life worse than yours!". _This_ is radicalization - believing an ever deepening web of bollocks and as a result drastically changing one's way of interacting with the world. They don't even remember how they used to live and why. I stand by my statement - it is conservative to accept a slightly increased risk in order to maintain our traditions. It is radical to flip the world on a dime. (The UK Conservative Party is emphatically not conservative by any reasonable definition).
  - pessimizer 5y ago
    Fighting against the germ theory of disease is definitely conservatism.
    - throwaway22032 5y ago
      The germ theory of disease is well established, what's that got to do with the price of fish?
LoveGracePeace 5y ago
A lot of people including me (and I'm old, conservative, technical geek) are not actively social. Not being actively social is not at all the same as antisocial. Antisocial is associated with a negative behavioral aspect, a disorder potentially. Not wanting to have a beer at the pub doesn't make me antisocial. I don't mind shaking hands but, from a medical perspective it seems like a tradition that would best be left in the past.
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- throwaway22032 5y ago
  Disagree on the last part (coronavirus is not transferred much if at all via hands), agree on the rest of the post. If you don't enjoy the pub that's fine, different strokes for different folks. That's why we have freedom of association, I hang out with my people, you with yours, job done. What I'm calling antisocial is bans, restrictions, shame, etc etc. The virus is out there and basically everyone is gonna get it, turning onto each other is hate for the sake of hate.
  - em-bee 5y ago
    refusing to hang out with me because i don't drink makes you antisocial though. when i hang out with my friends many have a beer while me and some others don't and nobody is bothered by that. that's what makes us social. our drinking habits don't factor into it at all.
    - throwaway22032 5y ago
      Agree.
  - WWLink 5y ago
    > Disagree on the last part (coronavirus is not transferred much if at all via hands), agree on the rest of the post. Dude I've been in enough public bathrooms to never want to touch some random stranger's hand. You know how many people I've seen go from the toilet straight out the door? TOO MANY. Too many people on the internet who were like "My hands are clean, my privates are clean, I never touched anything dirty!" or whatever. EUGH. GROSS.
Cd00d 5y ago
Hey, I get it - the pandemic has been very hard and very frustrating. But, please consider that you're not doing any favors to your beloved institutions by being rude to your peers there as a result of your assumptions about what motivates them.
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