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I think a lot of the hate (myself included) is coming from the fact that we already had a really good native macOS app. Feels like something is being taken away

by trvr 5y ago

I think a lot of the hate (myself included) is coming from the fact that we already had a really good native macOS app. Feels like something is being taken away. I do understand where you are coming from with Linux. It's better than what you had, no doubt. But that doesn't feel like the case to us macOS users.

dangus 5y ago
What features/usability/performance was lost with the switch to the Electron app? If the answer is "nothing," then really the argument is purely about aesthetics. I didn't even know it was an Electron app until months after I had installed it.
- somehnguy 5y ago
  I was fully prepared to say 'memory usage' as a kneejerk to Electron. But I decided to open System Monitor real quick and it turns out my 1Password 7 instance is using 201MB itself. Another ~30MB if the helpers are included. My machine has been on for about a week and I invoke 1Password a lot throughout the day + have about 500 entries. How much memory is yours consuming (assuming you're using 8)?
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- Y-bar 5y ago
  From my own experience with Electron apps and 1Password beta a few months ago, putting resource usage aside (even if we should not): OS-native spell checking is missing. Lack of OS standard shortcuts. Everything is a single window. UX performance: lots of things has just a little bit longer.
  - roustem 5y ago
    We added spellcheck and text transformations options recently. Our team contributed a few patches to Electron to enable better macOS integration. For example: https://github.com/electron/electron/pull/32024 https://github.com/electron/electron/pull/32024 I believe the UX performance in 1Password 8 is better than any other app we built in the past: https://twitter.com/mitchchn/status/1491253916004147203?s=20 https://twitter.com/mitchchn/status/1491253916004147203?s=20 Would love to learn more about the standard shortcuts that are missing — good keyboard shortcuts is a huge priority to us! -- Roustem 1Password Founder
    - trvr 5y ago
      Not looking for a fight here, but it seems like there is a disconnect between 1Password/AgileBits praising version 8 while also trying to bury the fact that it is an Electron app. It seems like you are proud of what you are building (and that's awesome), but the Releases page for beta [1] doesn't contain the word Electron. 1: https://releases.1password.com/mac/beta/ https://releases.1password.com/mac/beta/
      - judge2020 5y ago
        Electron is effectively a UI and code framework, much like SwiftUI or just Swift with AppKit; I don't see why either would need to be a marketing point or referenced in the changelog. 1Password 7[0] doesn't say what it's made in either. 0: https://support.1password.com/explore/whats-new-mac/ https://support.1password.com/explore/whats-new-mac/
        brailsafe 5y ago
        This is a specious argument imo. The beta does mention that some part of it is written in Rust, why exclude Swift/Objective-C to JavaScript if you're in the business of talking up implementation changes?
      - mynameisvlad 5y ago
        Why jump to "trying to bury" if you're not looking for a fight? There are many reasons for not specifying what framework an app is built in, the most obvious of which is that the general public both has no clue what Electron is nor a desire to find out. Just because something isn't listed doesn't mean it's "buried". Like the other commenter said, you don't routinely see users of other frameworks and languages put it front and center, why should that expectation change with Electron?
        trvr 5y ago
        That's fair. I just found it odd that they specifically called out Rust.
- cytzol 5y ago
  I tried the Electron version six months ago, and I wrote up its weaknesses here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28147305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28147305 EDIT: I just tried the latest beta, and I'm happy to say that scrolling the list is now much faster! On the other hand, the blurry fonts, the lack of overscroll, the non-native dropdown menus, the inability to view your vault with the Preferences window open, and the lag when resizing the window are all still there. This does not fill me with hope that the final released version is going to be any better.
  - manwe150 5y ago
    I stopped my subscription to LastPass and bought a 1Password subscription because LastPass discontinued their native macOS app and went with an electron wrapper. But the new LastPass client was slow, glitchy, and broke OS integration (It lost a lot of features. I tried to report some of that, and their support team ignored me). The 1Password experience already seems to have more robust features than my experience with LastPass, so I am happy with the switch. I really hope they can preserve all that through the transition, or that they maintain the native client!
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by trvr 5y ago

dangus 5y ago

What features/usability/performance was lost with the switch to the Electron app? If the answer is "nothing," then really the argument is purely about aesthetics. I didn't even know it was an Electron app until months after I had installed it.

somehnguy 5y ago
I was fully prepared to say 'memory usage' as a kneejerk to Electron. But I decided to open System Monitor real quick and it turns out my 1Password 7 instance is using 201MB itself. Another ~30MB if the helpers are included. My machine has been on for about a week and I invoke 1Password a lot throughout the day + have about 500 entries. How much memory is yours consuming (assuming you're using 8)?
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Y-bar 5y ago
From my own experience with Electron apps and 1Password beta a few months ago, putting resource usage aside (even if we should not): OS-native spell checking is missing. Lack of OS standard shortcuts. Everything is a single window. UX performance: lots of things has just a little bit longer.
- roustem 5y ago
  We added spellcheck and text transformations options recently. Our team contributed a few patches to Electron to enable better macOS integration. For example: https://github.com/electron/electron/pull/32024 https://github.com/electron/electron/pull/32024 I believe the UX performance in 1Password 8 is better than any other app we built in the past: https://twitter.com/mitchchn/status/1491253916004147203?s=20 https://twitter.com/mitchchn/status/1491253916004147203?s=20 Would love to learn more about the standard shortcuts that are missing — good keyboard shortcuts is a huge priority to us! -- Roustem 1Password Founder
  - trvr 5y ago
    Not looking for a fight here, but it seems like there is a disconnect between 1Password/AgileBits praising version 8 while also trying to bury the fact that it is an Electron app. It seems like you are proud of what you are building (and that's awesome), but the Releases page for beta [1] doesn't contain the word Electron. 1: https://releases.1password.com/mac/beta/ https://releases.1password.com/mac/beta/
    - judge2020 5y ago
      Electron is effectively a UI and code framework, much like SwiftUI or just Swift with AppKit; I don't see why either would need to be a marketing point or referenced in the changelog. 1Password 7[0] doesn't say what it's made in either. 0: https://support.1password.com/explore/whats-new-mac/ https://support.1password.com/explore/whats-new-mac/
      - brailsafe 5y ago
        This is a specious argument imo. The beta does mention that some part of it is written in Rust, why exclude Swift/Objective-C to JavaScript if you're in the business of talking up implementation changes?
    - mynameisvlad 5y ago
      Why jump to "trying to bury" if you're not looking for a fight? There are many reasons for not specifying what framework an app is built in, the most obvious of which is that the general public both has no clue what Electron is nor a desire to find out. Just because something isn't listed doesn't mean it's "buried". Like the other commenter said, you don't routinely see users of other frameworks and languages put it front and center, why should that expectation change with Electron?
      - trvr 5y ago
        That's fair. I just found it odd that they specifically called out Rust.
cytzol 5y ago
I tried the Electron version six months ago, and I wrote up its weaknesses here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28147305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28147305 EDIT: I just tried the latest beta, and I'm happy to say that scrolling the list is now much faster! On the other hand, the blurry fonts, the lack of overscroll, the non-native dropdown menus, the inability to view your vault with the Preferences window open, and the lag when resizing the window are all still there. This does not fill me with hope that the final released version is going to be any better.
- manwe150 5y ago
  I stopped my subscription to LastPass and bought a 1Password subscription because LastPass discontinued their native macOS app and went with an electron wrapper. But the new LastPass client was slow, glitchy, and broke OS integration (It lost a lot of features. I tried to report some of that, and their support team ignored me). The 1Password experience already seems to have more robust features than my experience with LastPass, so I am happy with the switch. I really hope they can preserve all that through the transition, or that they maintain the native client!

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