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> India has more than two thousand ethnic groups With strong cultural bonds. You put a guy from Karnataka in the same room as someone from Assam and they will

by sinyug 5y ago

> India has more than two thousand ethnic groups With strong cultural bonds. You put a guy from Karnataka in the same room as someone from Assam and they will have more in common with each other than someone from Ireland with someone from Turkey. > There are 22 officially recognized languages in India. You can roam most of India if you known two languages: English and Hindi. Can you say the same thing about Europe? > 79.8% of the population of India practices Hinduism, 14.2% adheres to Islam, 2.3% adheres to Christianity, 1.7% adheres to Sikhism, 0.7% adheres to Buddhism, and 0.4% adheres to Jainism If you know about the partition of India, you will also know that it was the result of the "two-nation" theory,[1] the idea that Hindus and Muslims were two separate nations sharing the same political borders and that each nation should have its own state. While modern India is a predominantly Hindu country, the significant percentage of Muslims who continue to live here after the partition gave them their own country keeps the theory alive. The constant riots and political conflicts between Hindus and Muslims is proof of this. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-nation_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-nation_theory

dmitriid 5y ago
> With strong cultural bonds. You put a guy from Karnataka in the same room as someone from Assam and they will have more in common with each other than someone from Ireland with someone from Turkey. Ah yes. But if you put someone from Ireland with someone from Italy, they will have as much in common as those to guys you mentioned. > You can roam most of India if you known two languages: English and Hindi. Ah yes. English. How did you put it? "To say that a people who have no sense of their own nation created the Indian nation is a joke." And now you mention English (before Hindi) as a "shared language". Additionally, "Although Widely Spoken, Around 56% of Indians Don't Identify Hindi as Their Mother Tongue" [1] > If you know about the partition of India, Doesn't matter what I think or two-nations theory. The fact is that India has as much "shared religion" as Europe. [1] https://www.news18.com/news/india/although-widely-spoken-hindi-is-not-the-mother-tongue-of-almost-6-out-of-10-indians-2308927.html https://www.news18.com/news/india/although-widely-spoken-hin...
- sinyug 5y ago
  > Ah yes. English. How did you put it? "To say that a people who have no sense of their own nation created the Indian nation is a joke." You should get your timelines in order. English is used in modern India. However, like everywhere else, if you go back in time, the invaders imposed their language and customs on the local population. If the Chinese had conquered Central and South America instead of the Europeans, Mexico and Brazil would be speaking Chinese today instead of Spanish and Portuguese. That doesn't mean that American civilizations were ignorant or uncivilized or that they didn't have their own languages. > Additionally, "Although Widely Spoken, Around 56% of Indians Don't Identify Hindi as Their Mother Tongue" Doesn't matter. Most people understand the language as a lot of Indians are multilingual. > The fact is that India has as much "shared religion" as Europe. Only someone who doesn't understand Hindus and their religion can make such assertions. What is called Hinduism has been a way of life across the subcontinent for millennia. Even the name is irrelevant. People don't "become" Hindus. They simply "are." The characters and stories in our sacred texts are not about incidents that happened in Arabia and Africa that is then taught to children in Poland or Ireland or Turkey who have nothing to do with them. They are about our ancestors in this very place. While peoples within Europe might have something similar, Europe as a political entity will never have it.
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    > You should get your timelines in order. English is used in modern India. It wasn't me who gave English as an example for a shared language. > Doesn't matter. Most people understand the language There are over a billion people in the world who understand English. By your logic they all "share a language" etc. > The characters and stories in our sacred texts are not about incidents that happened in Arabia and Africa that is then taught to children in Poland or Ireland or Turkey who have nothing to do with them. They are about our ancestors in this very place They are as much your ancestors as Germanic tribes are ancestors to half the Europe. And as any heroic ancestors they would slit each other's throats if the other looked at them funny. > While peoples within Europe might have something similar, Europe as a political entity As a political entity India came to be because of the Brits. Prior to that it was an ever changing tapestry of various states (like literally everywhere else in the world) at near constant war with each other (again, like literally everywhere else in the world).

by sinyug 5y ago

dmitriid 5y ago

> With strong cultural bonds. You put a guy from Karnataka in the same room as someone from Assam and they will have more in common with each other than someone from Ireland with someone from Turkey. Ah yes. But if you put someone from Ireland with someone from Italy, they will have as much in common as those to guys you mentioned. > You can roam most of India if you known two languages: English and Hindi. Ah yes. English. How did you put it? "To say that a people who have no sense of their own nation created the Indian nation is a joke." And now you mention English (before Hindi) as a "shared language". Additionally, "Although Widely Spoken, Around 56% of Indians Don't Identify Hindi as Their Mother Tongue" [1] > If you know about the partition of India, Doesn't matter what I think or two-nations theory. The fact is that India has as much "shared religion" as Europe. [1] https://www.news18.com/news/india/although-widely-spoken-hindi-is-not-the-mother-tongue-of-almost-6-out-of-10-indians-2308927.html https://www.news18.com/news/india/although-widely-spoken-hin...

sinyug 5y ago
> Ah yes. English. How did you put it? "To say that a people who have no sense of their own nation created the Indian nation is a joke." You should get your timelines in order. English is used in modern India. However, like everywhere else, if you go back in time, the invaders imposed their language and customs on the local population. If the Chinese had conquered Central and South America instead of the Europeans, Mexico and Brazil would be speaking Chinese today instead of Spanish and Portuguese. That doesn't mean that American civilizations were ignorant or uncivilized or that they didn't have their own languages. > Additionally, "Although Widely Spoken, Around 56% of Indians Don't Identify Hindi as Their Mother Tongue" Doesn't matter. Most people understand the language as a lot of Indians are multilingual. > The fact is that India has as much "shared religion" as Europe. Only someone who doesn't understand Hindus and their religion can make such assertions. What is called Hinduism has been a way of life across the subcontinent for millennia. Even the name is irrelevant. People don't "become" Hindus. They simply "are." The characters and stories in our sacred texts are not about incidents that happened in Arabia and Africa that is then taught to children in Poland or Ireland or Turkey who have nothing to do with them. They are about our ancestors in this very place. While peoples within Europe might have something similar, Europe as a political entity will never have it.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  > You should get your timelines in order. English is used in modern India. It wasn't me who gave English as an example for a shared language. > Doesn't matter. Most people understand the language There are over a billion people in the world who understand English. By your logic they all "share a language" etc. > The characters and stories in our sacred texts are not about incidents that happened in Arabia and Africa that is then taught to children in Poland or Ireland or Turkey who have nothing to do with them. They are about our ancestors in this very place They are as much your ancestors as Germanic tribes are ancestors to half the Europe. And as any heroic ancestors they would slit each other's throats if the other looked at them funny. > While peoples within Europe might have something similar, Europe as a political entity As a political entity India came to be because of the Brits. Prior to that it was an ever changing tapestry of various states (like literally everywhere else in the world) at near constant war with each other (again, like literally everywhere else in the world).