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I downvoted you because I do think your comment does add little to the discussion other than "I posted it first!", which isn't all that interesting all things c

by ginko 5y ago

I downvoted you because I do think your comment does add little to the discussion other than "I posted it first!", which isn't all that interesting all things considered. It just seems bitter.

graderjs 5y ago
That's what I thought people would feel, and why I said I thought it would be downvoted. But thanks for letting me that's what you think anyway! I don't like to admit it because of how silly and weak I think it looks, but, yep I did feel it was unfair and I was showing a little bitterness there--correctly identified, ginko!--I felt sad about it, like "why no upvotes for me?"--but also posted it with a goodnatured thing too, like "I scooped you! But you got the votes!" which can always be a dynamic with news scoops. It was both, you know. And I don't really think it's unfair, because it's basically random how a post gets up. Plus, Haaretz has a paywall, maybe that contributes too...But you always wonder, you know...heh :) Thanks for adding to my shame there, ginko :<... edit: Oh, I see you got downvoted. Poor you. That's very meta. edit 2: Ooh, I see the original post has been flagged. I definitely think we should stop talking about it now, heh! OMG let's stop please! :)
- smoldesu 5y ago
  You're not exactly Babe Ruth calling the shot on this one. If you post something that isn't intellectually gratifying and purely petty, then yes, you're going to be downvoted on Hacker News. If you posted something along the lines of "Here's the version that isn't paywalled" or "this article has a more interesting analysis", people wouldn't have dogpiled you. Instead, you buried the lede and mentioned some pseudo-experiment, which isn't going to get a lot of traction around here. If you want to endlessly fight with people over attribution credits and updoot points, you'd probably get a real kick out of Reddit.
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  - graderjs 5y ago
    Interesting... "Babe Ruth's called shot." Heh, no not in this case :). I thought it was going to get downvoted quickly, but it didn't. edit: I see that finally it has hit 0, after many hours. So, I guess I was, similar to, Babe Ruth calling the shot, here. Heh :) It was a real experiment, not pseudo. Agree about the intellectually gratifying, and your alternative suggestions are good. I was considering something like that too (thought I posted in a reply, but I edited it out). It wasn't purely petty, as I said, sportsmanlike. Is feeling something unfair, or feeling sad about something, petty? I don't think so, I think it's just normal...but like I said, I feel it's embarrassing to admit in this case, because it seems silly to me. But I guess...well I do care about it, so I guess it can't be that silly. It wasn't fighting...not at all. And I don't think people 'dogpiled' -- just sharing their perspective and/or trying to teach me something. And I learned something. So that's good. 'Dogpiled' is interesting, haven't heard that term before... Wouldn't say I buried the lede, because there were only 3 parts to the post: link, scoop and experiment, and enough people saw it to get it many more upvotes... Heh, you do seem to find a lot to disagree about, misrepresent, or take issue and criticize there (not sure exactly how to describe what you do above)...could it maybe be you who was looking to fight? I honestly don't feel like that, so please let's not continue. Peace, please? I would love that :)
graderjs 5y ago
Actually I made that mistake I sometimes make.. Because of high empathy, I will take on someone else's perspective and agree with them because I can feel how they see it like they do... Even when it's not actually like that for me. Yesterday I wasn't bitter at all...I think I just 'admitted to it' because I didn't want to disagree. I wanted to try to find like a common ground and because of my empathy with you, I could really feel your perspective. But actually I wasn't bitter, I was just curious that this one got up and mine didn't and I was also competitive like, "you know, I win anyway cuz I scooped you. Okay you got the votes but I scooped you, so I win" That's honestly how I felt about it. So for me, it wasn't bitter at all, just curious and competitive. I do get if you feel that way about it, and I get if you felt there was bitterness there or you just thought that's how you would feel in that situation, but I think you were just finding there what you bring to it. So thank you for sharing but that was just you projecting your feeling onto mine, and then me taking that on, as a mistake. :) In future I hope I can say these type of things more concisely. I feel it's annoying when people misrepresent me, and then I take longer to represent myself clearly, than they took to misrepresent me. I would love to make a shorter reply than the original misrepresentation! That's a goal I have, it's a definite opportunity for improvement for me. Anyway I'm sorry to me for just agreeing yesterday without really thinking through and being authentic to me...even though I kind of I felt what I was saying was wrong for me at the time, but I just decided to find a way to agree, that was a mistake. It's a mistake I've made sometimes, because of high empathy and not always happy to disagree. I'm sorry to everyone else here is sort of you know reading all this stuff but it's important enough both to say so people know me authentically here but also is a lesson for me that I want to post this. Thanks!

by ginko 5y ago

I downvoted you because I do think your comment does add little to the discussion other than "I posted it first!", which isn't all that interesting all things considered. It just seems bitter.

graderjs 5y ago

That's what I thought people would feel, and why I said I thought it would be downvoted. But thanks for letting me that's what you think anyway! I don't like to admit it because of how silly and weak I think it looks, but, yep I did feel it was unfair and I was showing a little bitterness there--correctly identified, ginko!--I felt sad about it, like "why no upvotes for me?"--but also posted it with a goodnatured thing too, like "I scooped you! But you got the votes!" which can always be a dynamic with news scoops. It was both, you know. And I don't really think it's unfair, because it's basically random how a post gets up. Plus, Haaretz has a paywall, maybe that contributes too...But you always wonder, you know...heh :) Thanks for adding to my shame there, ginko :<... edit: Oh, I see you got downvoted. Poor you. That's very meta. edit 2: Ooh, I see the original post has been flagged. I definitely think we should stop talking about it now, heh! OMG let's stop please! :)

smoldesu 5y ago
You're not exactly Babe Ruth calling the shot on this one. If you post something that isn't intellectually gratifying and purely petty, then yes, you're going to be downvoted on Hacker News. If you posted something along the lines of "Here's the version that isn't paywalled" or "this article has a more interesting analysis", people wouldn't have dogpiled you. Instead, you buried the lede and mentioned some pseudo-experiment, which isn't going to get a lot of traction around here. If you want to endlessly fight with people over attribution credits and updoot points, you'd probably get a real kick out of Reddit.
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- graderjs 5y ago
  Interesting... "Babe Ruth's called shot." Heh, no not in this case :). I thought it was going to get downvoted quickly, but it didn't. edit: I see that finally it has hit 0, after many hours. So, I guess I was, similar to, Babe Ruth calling the shot, here. Heh :) It was a real experiment, not pseudo. Agree about the intellectually gratifying, and your alternative suggestions are good. I was considering something like that too (thought I posted in a reply, but I edited it out). It wasn't purely petty, as I said, sportsmanlike. Is feeling something unfair, or feeling sad about something, petty? I don't think so, I think it's just normal...but like I said, I feel it's embarrassing to admit in this case, because it seems silly to me. But I guess...well I do care about it, so I guess it can't be that silly. It wasn't fighting...not at all. And I don't think people 'dogpiled' -- just sharing their perspective and/or trying to teach me something. And I learned something. So that's good. 'Dogpiled' is interesting, haven't heard that term before... Wouldn't say I buried the lede, because there were only 3 parts to the post: link, scoop and experiment, and enough people saw it to get it many more upvotes... Heh, you do seem to find a lot to disagree about, misrepresent, or take issue and criticize there (not sure exactly how to describe what you do above)...could it maybe be you who was looking to fight? I honestly don't feel like that, so please let's not continue. Peace, please? I would love that :)

graderjs 5y ago

Actually I made that mistake I sometimes make.. Because of high empathy, I will take on someone else's perspective and agree with them because I can feel how they see it like they do... Even when it's not actually like that for me. Yesterday I wasn't bitter at all...I think I just 'admitted to it' because I didn't want to disagree. I wanted to try to find like a common ground and because of my empathy with you, I could really feel your perspective. But actually I wasn't bitter, I was just curious that this one got up and mine didn't and I was also competitive like, "you know, I win anyway cuz I scooped you. Okay you got the votes but I scooped you, so I win" That's honestly how I felt about it. So for me, it wasn't bitter at all, just curious and competitive. I do get if you feel that way about it, and I get if you felt there was bitterness there or you just thought that's how you would feel in that situation, but I think you were just finding there what you bring to it. So thank you for sharing but that was just you projecting your feeling onto mine, and then me taking that on, as a mistake. :) In future I hope I can say these type of things more concisely. I feel it's annoying when people misrepresent me, and then I take longer to represent myself clearly, than they took to misrepresent me. I would love to make a shorter reply than the original misrepresentation! That's a goal I have, it's a definite opportunity for improvement for me. Anyway I'm sorry to me for just agreeing yesterday without really thinking through and being authentic to me...even though I kind of I felt what I was saying was wrong for me at the time, but I just decided to find a way to agree, that was a mistake. It's a mistake I've made sometimes, because of high empathy and not always happy to disagree. I'm sorry to everyone else here is sort of you know reading all this stuff but it's important enough both to say so people know me authentically here but also is a lesson for me that I want to post this. Thanks!