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I'm only aware of a small subset of laws existing in Europe, but every single example of restrictions to face hiding I can think of predates Muslim presence by

by usrusr 5y ago

I'm only aware of a small subset of laws existing in Europe, but every single example of restrictions to face hiding I can think of predates Muslim presence by many decades. No, those are not driven by fear of people wearing burkas.

usrusr 5y ago
Correction: no, the examples I was thinking of are much younger than I thougt (but nonetheless not aimed at burkas at all, aimed at leftist protesters and at reckless drivers)
OJFord 5y ago
'predates Muslim presence by several decades'? When exactly do you think 'Muslims appeared' in Europe?
- usrusr 5y ago
  711 if we ignore the failed siege of Constantinople. But I don't think that's in any way related to what gp was talking about?
simongr3dal 5y ago
Denmark introduced a ban in 2018. https://outline.com/BUzZLq https://outline.com/BUzZLq
waffleiron 5y ago
Netherlands 2019 https://www.government.nl/topics/ban-on-face-coverings-referred-to-in-the-media-as-the-%E2%80%98burka-ban%E2%80%99/ https://www.government.nl/topics/ban-on-face-coverings-refer... France 2011 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ban_on_face_covering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ban_on_face_covering Denmark 2018 https://www.dw.com/en/denmark-bans-full-face-veils-in-public/a-44021340 https://www.dw.com/en/denmark-bans-full-face-veils-in-public... Austria 2017 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41457427 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41457427 etc
- usrusr 5y ago
  I was thinking about the german Versammlungsgesetz and requirements to stay identifiable while operating dangerous machinery in public ("driving"), but apparently I was completely wrong about their age (actually late 20th and late 2010s, I was assuming "possibly leftover from some reich"). Still, those two were not motivated at all by rejection of imported culture, but in terms of timing they might very well have been.

by usrusr 5y ago

usrusr 5y ago

Correction: no, the examples I was thinking of are much younger than I thougt (but nonetheless not aimed at burkas at all, aimed at leftist protesters and at reckless drivers)

OJFord 5y ago

'predates Muslim presence by several decades'? When exactly do you think 'Muslims appeared' in Europe?

usrusr 5y ago
711 if we ignore the failed siege of Constantinople. But I don't think that's in any way related to what gp was talking about?

simongr3dal 5y ago

Denmark introduced a ban in 2018. https://outline.com/BUzZLq https://outline.com/BUzZLq

waffleiron 5y ago

Netherlands 2019 https://www.government.nl/topics/ban-on-face-coverings-referred-to-in-the-media-as-the-%E2%80%98burka-ban%E2%80%99/ https://www.government.nl/topics/ban-on-face-coverings-refer... France 2011 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ban_on_face_covering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ban_on_face_covering Denmark 2018 https://www.dw.com/en/denmark-bans-full-face-veils-in-public/a-44021340 https://www.dw.com/en/denmark-bans-full-face-veils-in-public... Austria 2017 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41457427 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41457427 etc

usrusr 5y ago
I was thinking about the german Versammlungsgesetz and requirements to stay identifiable while operating dangerous machinery in public ("driving"), but apparently I was completely wrong about their age (actually late 20th and late 2010s, I was assuming "possibly leftover from some reich"). Still, those two were not motivated at all by rejection of imported culture, but in terms of timing they might very well have been.