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  • hutzlibu 5y ago
    "That communists built those weapons should never be forgotten." Just as it will be never forgotten who developed and build the first of those weapons and who actually used it against civilian population 2 times. "But we’ll stamp it out and cripple it at every opportunity. Why? Because we don’t want another communist state to build another 6000 hydrogen bombs to drop on our cities." And maybe you have things backward. Because this aggressive attitude of "stamp it out and cripple it at every opportunity" was applied to (pseudo) communist states and movements from day one. Before they even had an organized army. And when you push, you can expect to be pushed back. So who pushed first? Well, that is called human history and is complicated and filled with slavery and exploitation in all kinds of shapes. This misery fueled the various communist revolutions - not because their ideology is superior in any way. The russian peasants were basically slaves, with no chance of ever getting rich, no matter how hard they worked. They could not even read for the most part - all they knew was the communists promised better conditions to them in this life. While the "capitalists" supported their slave masters. Which side would you pick, if trapped in that scenario? And that basic scenario happened very often in the last century all around the world. So in reality: "fighting communism" often equals "fighting the poor". Ideology seldom helps understanding complex topics, but it surely makes it easier to make quick decisions.
    • threshold 5y ago
      Ok, those are fair points. The US is not innocent for sure, but consider the context of the times when the technology was developed, and also that a hydrogen warhead is 1000x more destructive than the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Take pause to think about that. I'll add that I'm far more concerned with the remains of the Soviet empire than China for a number of reasons. But it really doesn't matter which side was more decent or noble. Fact is we're in the fight now and their intent is crystal clear. They built those devices to put our people, children, homes and ideals under the ground. It's so so dangerous to give them a pass.
      • hutzlibu 5y ago
        "Fact is we're in the fight now and their intent is crystal clear. They built those devices to put our people, children, homes and ideals under the ground. It's so so dangerous to give them a pass." Why is their intent so "crystal clear", when they build their bombs after the west build theirs first (and directed at them)? Have you never considered, that maybe they felt the need to build them - so their homes are protected, too? I think it is very dangerous, if all sides only see their own sides. This is how wars start.
      • Aloha 5y ago
        I think you're blind and empire. I look at it simple, I can live under American Hegemony, Chinese Hegemony or Russian Hegemony. China and Russia are oppressive places to live - arguably china more than Russia - by most metrics, Russia is considerably more free than China. That as an aside, China and Russia are considerable risks to the worlds economic and political stability. I consider our invention and use of atomic weapons quite just, and not even a debating point.
  • trasz 5y ago
    Let me remind you that the only country that ever used nuclear weapons is the US, not “communists” and not Russia.