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> poorer and not as white You had me until here. Poverty isn’t racist. Correlation!=causation.

praxulus 5y ago
They didn't claim causation, they were just pointing out the correlation.
woodruffw 5y ago
Poverty is a econometric descriptor. It isn't racist. But to state the obvious: distributions of poverty belie the US's long history of racism.
- inglor_cz 5y ago
  A more detailed look isn't as obvious. There is a lot of variation within the big racially defined groups. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_per_capita_income https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U... In many places of the world, certain groups were discriminated against because they were richer than average (Jews in Europe, Chinese in SE Asia, Igbos in Nigeria).
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    The European Jewry was not richer, on average, than other Christian ethnic and religious groups. The average European Jew lived in the Pale and was equivalent in economic class to a serf (except that serfs were at least Christian, and therefore afforded a non-outsider social class). But this is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, which is about the US.
- dijonman2 5y ago
  > Poverty is a econometric descriptor. It isn't racist. Agreed. I’m just tired of everyone shitting on white people. The US is far less racist than many other countries.
  - munk-a 5y ago
    Yes, there are more racist countries but there are also less racist countries. The US had a history of slavery (a form of overt economic racism) which was removed in name but not deed during the civil war. At this point african americans tend to suffer more deeply specifically from the red-lining efforts of the 50's and 60's including whites-only developments. While another marginalized group, native americans, have land guarantees but a lack of land value or other assets to leverage to help fund economic growth. White people in America have inherent economic advantages on the whole - not all white people share these advantages but there is a pretty clear correlation and there is causation: Red-lining was an intentionally racist policy that denied an economic opportunity to most African Americans.
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    Don't get ahead of yourself: I don't agree with you. Nobody is "shitting on white people," and I'm not even remotely interested in the whataboutism of "someone else is even more racist than us!" We're plenty racist enough to complain about without any frame of reference.
pentae 5y ago
My take was that it was a racist comment, its as if OP was implying that non-whites are less likely to do something about it. Either way, I also hated it. Why do people always, always have to bring race into everything lately?

They didn't claim causation, they were just pointing out the correlation.

Poverty is a econometric descriptor. It isn't racist. But to state the obvious: distributions of poverty belie the US's long history of racism.

inglor_cz 5y ago
A more detailed look isn't as obvious. There is a lot of variation within the big racially defined groups. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_per_capita_income https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U... In many places of the world, certain groups were discriminated against because they were richer than average (Jews in Europe, Chinese in SE Asia, Igbos in Nigeria).
- woodruffw 5y ago
  The European Jewry was not richer, on average, than other Christian ethnic and religious groups. The average European Jew lived in the Pale and was equivalent in economic class to a serf (except that serfs were at least Christian, and therefore afforded a non-outsider social class). But this is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, which is about the US.
dijonman2 5y ago
> Poverty is a econometric descriptor. It isn't racist. Agreed. I’m just tired of everyone shitting on white people. The US is far less racist than many other countries.
- munk-a 5y ago
  Yes, there are more racist countries but there are also less racist countries. The US had a history of slavery (a form of overt economic racism) which was removed in name but not deed during the civil war. At this point african americans tend to suffer more deeply specifically from the red-lining efforts of the 50's and 60's including whites-only developments. While another marginalized group, native americans, have land guarantees but a lack of land value or other assets to leverage to help fund economic growth. White people in America have inherent economic advantages on the whole - not all white people share these advantages but there is a pretty clear correlation and there is causation: Red-lining was an intentionally racist policy that denied an economic opportunity to most African Americans.
- woodruffw 5y ago
  Don't get ahead of yourself: I don't agree with you. Nobody is "shitting on white people," and I'm not even remotely interested in the whataboutism of "someone else is even more racist than us!" We're plenty racist enough to complain about without any frame of reference.

pentae 5y ago

My take was that it was a racist comment, its as if OP was implying that non-whites are less likely to do something about it. Either way, I also hated it. Why do people always, always have to bring race into everything lately?