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Can you provide a source of the “inferior personality” narrative? I have heard about how interviews/character essays/etc. can affect admissions, but that’s a pr

Can you provide a source of the “inferior personality” narrative? I have heard about how interviews/character essays/etc. can affect admissions, but that’s a pretty lofty accusation.

TheCoelacanth 5y ago
I believe this comes from an ongoing lawsuit[1] that SCOTUS recently agreed to hear. > The plaintiffs revealed that Harvard admissions officers consistently rated Asian-American applicants as a group lower than others on traits like positive personality, likability, courage, kindness and being widely respected. Asian-Americans scored higher than applicants of any other racial or ethnic group on other admissions measures like test scores, grades and extracurricular activities, but the students' personal ratings significantly dragged down their admissions chances. The plaintiffs also claimed that alumni interviewers (who, unlike admissions officers within Harvard, did actually meet with individual applicants) gave Asian-Americans personal ratings comparable to white applicants. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_Fair_Admissions_v._President_and_Fellows_of_Harvard_College#Plaintiff_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_Fair_Admissions_v...
P_I_Staker 5y ago
So I could be off base, but I recall them being pretty defensive of the metric, and there seemed to be clear evidence that they were getting bad scores. I honestly can't remember, but that seemed to be what they were saying at times. No asians just score lower in "personality". It seems that others in the thread mention they're claiming they score white kids the same, which is at least a better stance. I can understand the author saying they're gaslighting asian americans, because it definitely seemed that way to me. I'm really not sure what these people are talking about sometimes, because they seem to do a lot of tiptoeing around the issue, "debunking" claims that are either irrelevant or just easy to dispute, but not central to the issue. When they're not doing that they're questioning the intentions of the other side. I think there's actually good reason to question people's intentions, but it can be counter-productive too. Anyway, your right that I don't really have much to back this up, I just read these stories and Harvard always looks terrible; I put the article down thinking "good lord, what's wrong with these people"

Can you provide a source of the “inferior personality” narrative? I have heard about how interviews/character essays/etc. can affect admissions, but that’s a pretty lofty accusation.

TheCoelacanth 5y ago

I believe this comes from an ongoing lawsuit[1] that SCOTUS recently agreed to hear. > The plaintiffs revealed that Harvard admissions officers consistently rated Asian-American applicants as a group lower than others on traits like positive personality, likability, courage, kindness and being widely respected. Asian-Americans scored higher than applicants of any other racial or ethnic group on other admissions measures like test scores, grades and extracurricular activities, but the students' personal ratings significantly dragged down their admissions chances. The plaintiffs also claimed that alumni interviewers (who, unlike admissions officers within Harvard, did actually meet with individual applicants) gave Asian-Americans personal ratings comparable to white applicants. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_Fair_Admissions_v._President_and_Fellows_of_Harvard_College#Plaintiff_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_Fair_Admissions_v...

P_I_Staker 5y ago

So I could be off base, but I recall them being pretty defensive of the metric, and there seemed to be clear evidence that they were getting bad scores. I honestly can't remember, but that seemed to be what they were saying at times. No asians just score lower in "personality". It seems that others in the thread mention they're claiming they score white kids the same, which is at least a better stance. I can understand the author saying they're gaslighting asian americans, because it definitely seemed that way to me. I'm really not sure what these people are talking about sometimes, because they seem to do a lot of tiptoeing around the issue, "debunking" claims that are either irrelevant or just easy to dispute, but not central to the issue. When they're not doing that they're questioning the intentions of the other side. I think there's actually good reason to question people's intentions, but it can be counter-productive too. Anyway, your right that I don't really have much to back this up, I just read these stories and Harvard always looks terrible; I put the article down thinking "good lord, what's wrong with these people"