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It really depends. If you say a facebook employee should quit because their company is toxic, you'll have dang on you in no time. Talk about killing homeless pe

It really depends. If you say a facebook employee should quit because their company is toxic, you'll have dang on you in no time. Talk about killing homeless people as a solution to homelessness in SF? No problem. The moderation here is setup to avoid personal attacks, snark, and to stop people from shitting on YC companies, but for the most part, a lot of the most toxic parts of the internet are just as bad here (or worse) than other parts of the internet.

throwaway744678 5y ago
This does not match my experience here. Can you back that claim a bit?
Karunamon 5y ago
Did that "killing homeless people" comment actually happen (and wasn't made dead in short order) or were you using hyperbole to make a point?
- ryan_lane 5y ago
  Literal example. They weren't saying "we should kill homeless people", but more along the lines of "the most effective way of dealing with the homeless, of course, would be to kill them, but that's not politically acceptable..." At the time I had seen it, which was hours after the topic was posted, it wasn't voted down.
  - fivea 5y ago
    > Literal example. They weren't saying "we should kill homeless people", but (...) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and given that it only took a reply to water down the initial bombastic claim, unless you support your claims with concrete proof I'll have to write off your claim as hyperbolic misrepresentations.
    - ryan_lane 5y ago
      It's not watered down. It's a person nonchalantly talking about killing homeless people as a viable solution to homelessness. The way you've edited my reply completely misrepresents what I said, to make it look like I've somehow changed the meaning. I followed up to give more specific language, not to change the meaning. This kind of comment isn't out of the ordinary on this site, so I'm not going to spend a few hours tracking down the specific post to prove it. Just wait for a similar topic, and you'll see similar posts.
      - Karunamon 5y ago
        I'd guess such a comment to be made satirically (in the vein of 'a modest proposal'), especially given the context you added, but I could see why this would be disturbing.
      - fivea 5y ago
        > It's a person nonchalantly talking about killing homeless people as a viable solution to homelessness. Do you have a link or not? You're running in circles about he-said-she-said, but the only concrete info you shown so far boils down to your own personal extraordinary words you're trying to pin on some random person. I mean, how can anyone tell whether you're making everything up or not? Don't you have a single link to show for?
  - cloudier 5y ago
    Yes, if you want to say something reprehensible it’s fine as long as you say it in a long-winded and impartial-sounding fashion involving lots of “logic” and “objectivity” à la Slate Star Codex.
  - tdeck 5y ago
    Not sure if anyone will appreciate this sketch but it's too relevant to pass up: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg
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dang 5y ago
> Talk about killing homeless people as a solution to homelessness in SF? No problem. That's of course not true at all. If you're talking about a specific post, can we please see the link? Btw, moderation here is not set up to "stop people from shitting on YC companies", but exactly the opposite. That is literally the first rule of HN moderation: we moderate less, not more, when YC or a YC co is the story. It was the first thing PG explained to me when he was teaching me how to moderate (he was blurting it at me before I'd even had a chance to grab a chair), and it's the first thing I've taught to others. Lots of past explanation if anyone wants more: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20moderate%20less%20%22not%20more%22%20yc&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

throwaway744678 5y ago

This does not match my experience here. Can you back that claim a bit?

Karunamon 5y ago

Did that "killing homeless people" comment actually happen (and wasn't made dead in short order) or were you using hyperbole to make a point?

ryan_lane 5y ago
Literal example. They weren't saying "we should kill homeless people", but more along the lines of "the most effective way of dealing with the homeless, of course, would be to kill them, but that's not politically acceptable..." At the time I had seen it, which was hours after the topic was posted, it wasn't voted down.
- fivea 5y ago
  > Literal example. They weren't saying "we should kill homeless people", but (...) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and given that it only took a reply to water down the initial bombastic claim, unless you support your claims with concrete proof I'll have to write off your claim as hyperbolic misrepresentations.
  - ryan_lane 5y ago
    It's not watered down. It's a person nonchalantly talking about killing homeless people as a viable solution to homelessness. The way you've edited my reply completely misrepresents what I said, to make it look like I've somehow changed the meaning. I followed up to give more specific language, not to change the meaning. This kind of comment isn't out of the ordinary on this site, so I'm not going to spend a few hours tracking down the specific post to prove it. Just wait for a similar topic, and you'll see similar posts.
    - Karunamon 5y ago
      I'd guess such a comment to be made satirically (in the vein of 'a modest proposal'), especially given the context you added, but I could see why this would be disturbing.
    - fivea 5y ago
      > It's a person nonchalantly talking about killing homeless people as a viable solution to homelessness. Do you have a link or not? You're running in circles about he-said-she-said, but the only concrete info you shown so far boils down to your own personal extraordinary words you're trying to pin on some random person. I mean, how can anyone tell whether you're making everything up or not? Don't you have a single link to show for?
- cloudier 5y ago
  Yes, if you want to say something reprehensible it’s fine as long as you say it in a long-winded and impartial-sounding fashion involving lots of “logic” and “objectivity” à la Slate Star Codex.
- tdeck 5y ago
  Not sure if anyone will appreciate this sketch but it's too relevant to pass up: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg

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dang 5y ago

> Talk about killing homeless people as a solution to homelessness in SF? No problem. That's of course not true at all. If you're talking about a specific post, can we please see the link? Btw, moderation here is not set up to "stop people from shitting on YC companies", but exactly the opposite. That is literally the first rule of HN moderation: we moderate less, not more, when YC or a YC co is the story. It was the first thing PG explained to me when he was teaching me how to moderate (he was blurting it at me before I'd even had a chance to grab a chair), and it's the first thing I've taught to others. Lots of past explanation if anyone wants more: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20moderate%20less%20%22not%20more%22%20yc&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...