The original commenter in this thread said: > Starship is incredibly ambitious but if it doesn't reach orbit > before 2025 I won't be surprised. Just havi

The original commenter in this thread said: > Starship is incredibly ambitious but if it doesn't reach orbit > before 2025 I won't be surprised. Just having Starship reach orbit isn't moving the goalposts, here, it's the contentious thing most folks in the thread are reacting to. If OP had said "Starship won't do everything everyone dreams of doing before 2025", then OK, that's not even vaguely contentious. But not reaching orbit by 2025? That seems very unlikely.