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It's a valid assumption because it's rare for a woman to make more than the man, and it's especially common for women in those countries to seek foreign sugar d

It's a valid assumption because it's rare for a woman to make more than the man, and it's especially common for women in those countries to seek foreign sugar daddies, I don't understand why you think it's mysterious. It would be mysterious if nobody assumed that. >The odd thing to me is I don't see our relationship as any more or less valid, who the fuck cares that we married for a different reason than someone else? It's only odd to you because you're not affected by it. Men in local populations have a MUCH HARDER time finding wives that are local. When a foreigner jumps in and snatches up one while barely speaking the language it's a little "wtf." Let's put things into reality. The fact of the matter is women marry up. They are attracted to men with higher status. Globally, white men occupy this status. Not officially mind you, no white man or person of any race would say this, but subconsciously that's the hierarchy. That's why white men, if they date women of other races often have a much easier time. Women everywhere tend to just put white men on that pedestal. In terms of status, a white man can get better results if they date another woman of a different class and race then they would if they dated some women of the same race and status. That's reality. The statistics on dating sites verify this racial phenomenon. So of course if the tables were turned and rich asian and black men came stateside and started taking away white women the resentment would exist in the other direction. And such resentment does sort of exist (not in the dating scene) in terms of employment and jobs. It's normal there's nothing wrong or right about the situation, but it is what it is.

notch656a 5y ago
>In terms of status, a white man can get better results if they date another woman of a different class and race then they would if they dated some women of the same race and status. Asians are indisputably higher earners in US than white, on average. If anything it would make more sense that people view it that someone from an Asian country such as my wife married down and not up, if we're viewing through the race lenses you are viewing things through.
- deltaonefour 5y ago
  >Asians are indisputably higher earners in US than white, on average. This is true but it is not the factored into the subconscious hierarchy. Globally and locally White people are viewed as the top. Additionally, you should realize that the average income for asians here is highly skewed by a few top earners.
  - heartbeats 5y ago
    As opposed to white people, which have no billionaires?
    - deltaonefour 5y ago
      There are more white billionaires in the US than asian billionaires. The skew isn't caused by the top 1%. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2018/07/12/income-inequality-in-the-u-s-is-rising-most-rapidly-among-asians/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2018/07/12/income-... Income inequality among asians is the greatest of any race.
- FooBarBizBazz 5y ago
  Factoid: The richest kind of heterosexual household in the US, on average, is Asian man, white woman.
  - notch656a 5y ago
    Shockingly, I found the same study, and you are correct. Factoid: the second richest kind of heterosexual household in the US, on average, is Asian woman, white man. Interestingly, Asian-Asian and White-White lag significantly behind both. Almost paradoxically, from a purely financial outcome perspective a white man is expected to be better off marrying an asian woman, while an asian man is expected to be better off marrying a white woman. I didn't realize there was a pair like that where both male and female are statistically better off financially marrying the complement, but it seems white/asian pair is the winning combination for maximum expected income?
    - deltaonefour 5y ago
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      - notch656a 5y ago
        >Highly doubt these averages indicate causation. More likely these pairs formed because the women are choosing men with certain financial attributes. Either way correlation doesn't indicate causation, and I believe you are mistakenly assuming such a connection. I think you are mistaken about what 'expected' means. Expected value doesn't imply causation [0]. Sorry for not being more clear here, I was using the word as it's used in probability theory. Since there is no weighting here, expected basically means average, not some causative assertion. >white women will only choose an Asian who's so financially well off that race no longer matters This is just straight up racist. You can say what white woman will do on average or what white woman is expected to do, but you can't possibly know white women will 'only' choose an Asian when they're financially well off. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expected_value https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expected_value
908B64B197 5y ago
> It's only odd to you because you're not affected by it. Men in local populations have a MUCH HARDER time finding wives that are local. When a foreigner jumps in and snatches up one while barely speaking the language it's a little "wtf." Why not simply improve their country? That would solve their problem.
- deltaonefour 5y ago
  Have you seen the improvements china has made? In terms of wealth and technology the country is projected to surpass US GDP in the near future. I would say the subconscious sentiment is reversing only fairly recently. Groups like BTS are changing the game. Among the youngest generations Asians are seen very differently. However the overall sentiment will remain for most our lifetimes.

notch656a 5y ago

>In terms of status, a white man can get better results if they date another woman of a different class and race then they would if they dated some women of the same race and status. Asians are indisputably higher earners in US than white, on average. If anything it would make more sense that people view it that someone from an Asian country such as my wife married down and not up, if we're viewing through the race lenses you are viewing things through.

deltaonefour 5y ago
>Asians are indisputably higher earners in US than white, on average. This is true but it is not the factored into the subconscious hierarchy. Globally and locally White people are viewed as the top. Additionally, you should realize that the average income for asians here is highly skewed by a few top earners.
- heartbeats 5y ago
  As opposed to white people, which have no billionaires?
  - deltaonefour 5y ago
    There are more white billionaires in the US than asian billionaires. The skew isn't caused by the top 1%. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2018/07/12/income-inequality-in-the-u-s-is-rising-most-rapidly-among-asians/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2018/07/12/income-... Income inequality among asians is the greatest of any race.
FooBarBizBazz 5y ago
Factoid: The richest kind of heterosexual household in the US, on average, is Asian man, white woman.
- notch656a 5y ago
  Shockingly, I found the same study, and you are correct. Factoid: the second richest kind of heterosexual household in the US, on average, is Asian woman, white man. Interestingly, Asian-Asian and White-White lag significantly behind both. Almost paradoxically, from a purely financial outcome perspective a white man is expected to be better off marrying an asian woman, while an asian man is expected to be better off marrying a white woman. I didn't realize there was a pair like that where both male and female are statistically better off financially marrying the complement, but it seems white/asian pair is the winning combination for maximum expected income?
  - deltaonefour 5y ago
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    - notch656a 5y ago
      >Highly doubt these averages indicate causation. More likely these pairs formed because the women are choosing men with certain financial attributes. Either way correlation doesn't indicate causation, and I believe you are mistakenly assuming such a connection. I think you are mistaken about what 'expected' means. Expected value doesn't imply causation [0]. Sorry for not being more clear here, I was using the word as it's used in probability theory. Since there is no weighting here, expected basically means average, not some causative assertion. >white women will only choose an Asian who's so financially well off that race no longer matters This is just straight up racist. You can say what white woman will do on average or what white woman is expected to do, but you can't possibly know white women will 'only' choose an Asian when they're financially well off. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expected_value https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expected_value

908B64B197 5y ago

> It's only odd to you because you're not affected by it. Men in local populations have a MUCH HARDER time finding wives that are local. When a foreigner jumps in and snatches up one while barely speaking the language it's a little "wtf." Why not simply improve their country? That would solve their problem.

deltaonefour 5y ago
Have you seen the improvements china has made? In terms of wealth and technology the country is projected to surpass US GDP in the near future. I would say the subconscious sentiment is reversing only fairly recently. Groups like BTS are changing the game. Among the youngest generations Asians are seen very differently. However the overall sentiment will remain for most our lifetimes.