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Besides weapons, are there any frequently stolen, high-value items that people can’t just bring as a carryon? Like most electronics are explicitly banned from t

Besides weapons, are there any frequently stolen, high-value items that people can’t just bring as a carryon? Like most electronics are explicitly banned from the cargo hold due to lithium batteries.

abcc8 5y ago
Purses, jewelry, alcohol, clothing - anything of any value is a potential target.
Ancapistani 5y ago
Firearms are required to be locked with a non-TSA lock. Because of this, it’s a fairly regular thing for photographers to travel with a firearm. Under US law, a “firearm” includes the bare frame for a firearm, so that can be as simple as an inert piece of metal. Doing so means that you can put all your camera gear in a Pelican case, toss in a tiny piece of metal, then lock the case with a key that only you have.
- EForEndeavour 5y ago
  I genuinely love reading about clever and harmless hacks like these that exploit the letter of the law to solve problems that the makers and enforcers of said law probably don't know or care about.
  - dwater 5y ago
    Flare guns are also allowed and treated as firearms, so anyone can go to Walmart or an outdoors store and pick one up without any legal requirements and then use that to improve the security of their luggage. One of the first hits I got searching for this was for people traveling with fursuits worth thousands of dollars. http://www.fursuit.care/travel/flying-with-a-firearm-in-your-fursuit-tote/ http://www.fursuit.care/travel/flying-with-a-firearm-in-your...
    - njovin 5y ago
      Also "starter pistols" used during track meets.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    Harmless hacks that will require you to spend extra time in the airport security. It's not like you can "just" do this and expect no hassle. You will be called aside for additional screening, etc.
    - alfalfasprout 5y ago
      Not really-- this stuff is just declared at the check-in kiosk and becomes part of your checked baggage allowance.
      - dylan604 5y ago
        I have not tried it myself, but my understanding is that when you declare this kind of checked luggage that you were automatically redirected for hand searching of your luggage. Since you can place locks that inspectors don't have keys for, they would require you to be present in order for them to be searched. If you have done this personally and found this not to be the case, I'd find that very interesting. I've known one person that has done this, and what I described is what I was told happened to them.
        Ancapistani 5y ago
        I’ve traveled pretty extensively with firearms, and it’s almost never an issue. It varies depending on the airport, but I’ve found that it actually makes things quite a bit faster at smaller airports, airports in “red” states, and airports that are typically hunting destinations.” In fact, I’d say it usually _speeds_ check-in, at least compared to having to check a bag at the counter anyhow.
        dylan604 5y ago
        Depending on airport is so true. I had a work trip where a coworker was wearing a t-shirt that had a design of a bunch of words in the shape of two revolvers with their barrels crossed. It was a same day round trip, so he received "random" special attention on both legs. On a different trip, the person sitting next to me told me his story of how the belt he was wearing that had bullet casings (don't know what caliber) that were cut in half and punched into the leather as a design. TSA flagged him, airport police took him into custody, later to be remanded to the sheriff. He spent overnight in sheriff's lockup, brought back to the airport after arraignment, and then told to not ever wear that belt to an aiport again. Because of these stories, my expectations of having anything firearm related going through an airport as nightmarish. Then you hear of people getting full handguns past TSA. So I don't know what to think honestly
- numpad0 5y ago
  > Under US law, a “firearm” includes the bare frame for a firearm It feels to me that it's serialized part of firearm built in a metallic material. TSA website[1] also distinguishes "firearm" and "firearm parts", the latter of which includes often-controlled gun parts as quoted below. > Firearms must be unloaded and locked in a hard-sided container and transported as checked baggage only. As defined by 49 CFR 1540.5 a loaded firearm has ... > Firearm parts, including magazines, clips, bolts and firing pins, are prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage. This might be only relevant to gun nerds, but I think what that "tiny piece of metal" applies to are stripped AR-15 lowers and polymer Sig inner frames. Those two parts are so considered firearm that are practically not much of one. 1: https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunit...
  - Ancapistani 5y ago
    An AR lower is the easiest/cheapest way to go about this, as they can be had for <$50 new. There are several states with restrictions on AR-pattern firearms, though, so I switched to using a Chiappa “Little Badger”: https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shooting/rifles/Chiappa-Little-Badger-survivor-rifle/Chiappa-Little-Badger-1.jpg https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shooting/rifles/Chiappa-Litt...
    - bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
      I've got the "Big Badger" otherwise known as the Chiappa M6. It's a great design.
    - sidewndr46 5y ago
      You can literally scratch a "1" on a piece of steel and register it as a firearm if you want to.
      - Ancapistani 5y ago
        Generally speaking, there’s no such thing as federal “registration”. The only exceptions that I can think of are NFA items: suppressors, short-barreled rifles and shotguns, etc. You could stamp a serial number on a piece of pipe and register it as a suppressor with a Form 1 - but that would cost you $200 and require that you file a Form 20 every time you travel interstate with it, so that’s not really a reasonable option for this.
- bradknowles 5y ago
  In many cases, all you need is the sear mechanism for a firearm — that is the most critical part that needs to be controlled, for without a sear you have no way to fire ammo and everything else is just a hunk of metal. Just some part that is required to have a serial number on it, really.
  - Ancapistani 5y ago
    You’re using logic, which obviously has no place in the law :) The term we’re concerned with here is “firearm frame or receiver”, as defined in the Gun Control Act of 1968. Of course, that law didn’t define the term. The ATF did, and that definition is in two places: 27 CFR 478.11 and 27 CFR 479.11. Both are identical, and currently read: > That part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-27/chapter-II/subchapter-B/part-478/subpart-B/section-478.11#p-478.11(Firearm) https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-27/chapter-II/subchapter-...
    - bradknowles 5y ago
      My apologies. I should not have attempted to apply logic to this issue.
hammock 5y ago
Cameras and camera lenses, prototypes, musical instruments, silverware, works of art....be careful whether you are blaming the victim here.

abcc8 5y ago

Purses, jewelry, alcohol, clothing - anything of any value is a potential target.

Ancapistani 5y ago

Firearms are required to be locked with a non-TSA lock. Because of this, it’s a fairly regular thing for photographers to travel with a firearm. Under US law, a “firearm” includes the bare frame for a firearm, so that can be as simple as an inert piece of metal. Doing so means that you can put all your camera gear in a Pelican case, toss in a tiny piece of metal, then lock the case with a key that only you have.

EForEndeavour 5y ago
I genuinely love reading about clever and harmless hacks like these that exploit the letter of the law to solve problems that the makers and enforcers of said law probably don't know or care about.
- dwater 5y ago
  Flare guns are also allowed and treated as firearms, so anyone can go to Walmart or an outdoors store and pick one up without any legal requirements and then use that to improve the security of their luggage. One of the first hits I got searching for this was for people traveling with fursuits worth thousands of dollars. http://www.fursuit.care/travel/flying-with-a-firearm-in-your-fursuit-tote/ http://www.fursuit.care/travel/flying-with-a-firearm-in-your...
  - njovin 5y ago
    Also "starter pistols" used during track meets.
- dylan604 5y ago
  Harmless hacks that will require you to spend extra time in the airport security. It's not like you can "just" do this and expect no hassle. You will be called aside for additional screening, etc.
  - alfalfasprout 5y ago
    Not really-- this stuff is just declared at the check-in kiosk and becomes part of your checked baggage allowance.
    - dylan604 5y ago
      I have not tried it myself, but my understanding is that when you declare this kind of checked luggage that you were automatically redirected for hand searching of your luggage. Since you can place locks that inspectors don't have keys for, they would require you to be present in order for them to be searched. If you have done this personally and found this not to be the case, I'd find that very interesting. I've known one person that has done this, and what I described is what I was told happened to them.
      - Ancapistani 5y ago
        I’ve traveled pretty extensively with firearms, and it’s almost never an issue. It varies depending on the airport, but I’ve found that it actually makes things quite a bit faster at smaller airports, airports in “red” states, and airports that are typically hunting destinations.” In fact, I’d say it usually _speeds_ check-in, at least compared to having to check a bag at the counter anyhow.
        dylan604 5y ago
        Depending on airport is so true. I had a work trip where a coworker was wearing a t-shirt that had a design of a bunch of words in the shape of two revolvers with their barrels crossed. It was a same day round trip, so he received "random" special attention on both legs. On a different trip, the person sitting next to me told me his story of how the belt he was wearing that had bullet casings (don't know what caliber) that were cut in half and punched into the leather as a design. TSA flagged him, airport police took him into custody, later to be remanded to the sheriff. He spent overnight in sheriff's lockup, brought back to the airport after arraignment, and then told to not ever wear that belt to an aiport again. Because of these stories, my expectations of having anything firearm related going through an airport as nightmarish. Then you hear of people getting full handguns past TSA. So I don't know what to think honestly
numpad0 5y ago
> Under US law, a “firearm” includes the bare frame for a firearm It feels to me that it's serialized part of firearm built in a metallic material. TSA website[1] also distinguishes "firearm" and "firearm parts", the latter of which includes often-controlled gun parts as quoted below. > Firearms must be unloaded and locked in a hard-sided container and transported as checked baggage only. As defined by 49 CFR 1540.5 a loaded firearm has ... > Firearm parts, including magazines, clips, bolts and firing pins, are prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage. This might be only relevant to gun nerds, but I think what that "tiny piece of metal" applies to are stripped AR-15 lowers and polymer Sig inner frames. Those two parts are so considered firearm that are practically not much of one. 1: https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunit...
- Ancapistani 5y ago
  An AR lower is the easiest/cheapest way to go about this, as they can be had for <$50 new. There are several states with restrictions on AR-pattern firearms, though, so I switched to using a Chiappa “Little Badger”: https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shooting/rifles/Chiappa-Little-Badger-survivor-rifle/Chiappa-Little-Badger-1.jpg https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shooting/rifles/Chiappa-Litt...
  - bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
    I've got the "Big Badger" otherwise known as the Chiappa M6. It's a great design.
  - sidewndr46 5y ago
    You can literally scratch a "1" on a piece of steel and register it as a firearm if you want to.
    - Ancapistani 5y ago
      Generally speaking, there’s no such thing as federal “registration”. The only exceptions that I can think of are NFA items: suppressors, short-barreled rifles and shotguns, etc. You could stamp a serial number on a piece of pipe and register it as a suppressor with a Form 1 - but that would cost you $200 and require that you file a Form 20 every time you travel interstate with it, so that’s not really a reasonable option for this.
bradknowles 5y ago
In many cases, all you need is the sear mechanism for a firearm — that is the most critical part that needs to be controlled, for without a sear you have no way to fire ammo and everything else is just a hunk of metal. Just some part that is required to have a serial number on it, really.
- Ancapistani 5y ago
  You’re using logic, which obviously has no place in the law :) The term we’re concerned with here is “firearm frame or receiver”, as defined in the Gun Control Act of 1968. Of course, that law didn’t define the term. The ATF did, and that definition is in two places: 27 CFR 478.11 and 27 CFR 479.11. Both are identical, and currently read: > That part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-27/chapter-II/subchapter-B/part-478/subpart-B/section-478.11#p-478.11(Firearm) https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-27/chapter-II/subchapter-...
  - bradknowles 5y ago
    My apologies. I should not have attempted to apply logic to this issue.

hammock 5y ago

Cameras and camera lenses, prototypes, musical instruments, silverware, works of art....be careful whether you are blaming the victim here.