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> The pure browser business doesn't bring in any money. Firefox brings in hundreds of millions of dollars.

by chrisseaton 5y ago

kortilla 5y ago
By feeding search traffic to google. That’s one of the most unstable income streams there is.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  It's stable within a few tens of millions over the last years.
- samwillis 5y ago
  No it’s pretty consistently $400-450M per year. Up from the brief period when Yahoo was default. https://www.androidheadlines.com/2020/08/mozilla-firefox-google-search?amp https://www.androidheadlines.com/2020/08/mozilla-firefox-goo...
  - kortilla 5y ago
    Bringing a lot of money doesn’t mean it’s stable. Search traffic to google is putting all of your eggs in one basket and putting you at odds with your users interest.
- rvz 5y ago
  There you go. What the rest of the comments in your reply don't tell you is that Mozilla's expenses outweigh their income for years, which means they are constantly losing money. [0] Given that Google is their only source of income, (excluding one-time payments) it is indeed very unstable and they are ultimately at the mercy of Google, despite 14 years ago promising [1] to move away from being completely dependent on their income. At this point, Mozilla is on life support. Privacy (which is their main selling point) to Mozilla is also a joke to them. If Google wasn't bad enough, why not work with Meta on 'ads' too? Not exactly 'privacy first' - they might as well drop that claim. [0] https://www.computerworld.com/article/3600206/mozilla-reports-338m-revenue-spike-from-settlement-over-yahoo-contract.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/3600206/mozilla-report... [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20120105090543/https://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9044160/Mozilla_can_live_without_Google_s_money_Baker_says_ https://web.archive.org/web/20120105090543/https://www.compu...
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    > Mozilla's expenses outweigh their income for years Are those expenses for developing the browser, or burning money on other things that nobody cares about? For example have you seen their YouTube recently? Why are they spending money on making these bizarre rants about their competitors? https://www.youtube.com/user/Mozilla/videos https://www.youtube.com/user/Mozilla/videos

> The pure browser business doesn't bring in any money. Firefox brings in hundreds of millions of dollars.

kortilla 5y ago

By feeding search traffic to google. That’s one of the most unstable income streams there is.

chrisseaton 5y ago
It's stable within a few tens of millions over the last years.
samwillis 5y ago
No it’s pretty consistently $400-450M per year. Up from the brief period when Yahoo was default. https://www.androidheadlines.com/2020/08/mozilla-firefox-google-search?amp https://www.androidheadlines.com/2020/08/mozilla-firefox-goo...
- kortilla 5y ago
  Bringing a lot of money doesn’t mean it’s stable. Search traffic to google is putting all of your eggs in one basket and putting you at odds with your users interest.
rvz 5y ago
There you go. What the rest of the comments in your reply don't tell you is that Mozilla's expenses outweigh their income for years, which means they are constantly losing money. [0] Given that Google is their only source of income, (excluding one-time payments) it is indeed very unstable and they are ultimately at the mercy of Google, despite 14 years ago promising [1] to move away from being completely dependent on their income. At this point, Mozilla is on life support. Privacy (which is their main selling point) to Mozilla is also a joke to them. If Google wasn't bad enough, why not work with Meta on 'ads' too? Not exactly 'privacy first' - they might as well drop that claim. [0] https://www.computerworld.com/article/3600206/mozilla-reports-338m-revenue-spike-from-settlement-over-yahoo-contract.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/3600206/mozilla-report... [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20120105090543/https://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9044160/Mozilla_can_live_without_Google_s_money_Baker_says_ https://web.archive.org/web/20120105090543/https://www.compu...
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  > Mozilla's expenses outweigh their income for years Are those expenses for developing the browser, or burning money on other things that nobody cares about? For example have you seen their YouTube recently? Why are they spending money on making these bizarre rants about their competitors? https://www.youtube.com/user/Mozilla/videos https://www.youtube.com/user/Mozilla/videos