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> Are you trying to make the argument that Apple's rules make sense and those who want to see change likely have a conflict of interest? In fact I’d argue that

by rosndo 5y ago

> Are you trying to make the argument that Apple's rules make sense and those who want to see change likely have a conflict of interest? In fact I’d argue that it’s almost exclusively those with a conflict of interest who care the least bit about the Apple tax. > Do you think Apple's doing the right thing? Yes. Apple can charge whatever they feel is appropriate. If at some point their prices will be too high, I can jump ship.

criddell 5y ago
> Apple can charge whatever they feel is appropriate. I think you are answering a slightly different question than I’m asking. You might think they should be allowed to run their platform however they want but the reality is that because of their size and power, they can’t. Regulators will at least force them to allow alternate payment providers and if Apple keeps pushing back, they will eventually be forced to allow side loading or alternate app stores (which I would think would be a disaster). So given the regulatory environment they exist in, they only way their current strategy is smart is if they can defeat the EU. I don’t think they can and I think we will all be worse off in a few years because of Apple’s petulance.
- rosndo 5y ago
  > Regulators will at least force them to allow alternate payment providers Yes, but the 27% apple tax is separate from the payment providers.
  - criddell 5y ago
    yep, and that’s probably what’s going to get them in the most trouble. The platform is getting to the point where I could see it being regulated like a public utility.
    - rosndo 5y ago
      That’s a hilariously bad comparison. If my electricity company starts fucking around, people might literally freeze to death. Apple store is not at all like a public utility, it would be downright madness to regulate it like such. Public utilities have very real impact on the lives of the public, Apple tax doesn’t.
      - criddell 5y ago
        How about if your telephone company starts fucking around? As more services are provided through apps, the stakes grow. I agree with you that it shouldn’t be regulated like a utility. I’m saying that Apples obstinance is going to lead them there.
        rosndo 5y ago
        > How about if your telephone company starts fucking around? If emergency calls don’t work, people die. Phone calls not working would have significant economic impact too, although less so nowadays. The transactions covered by Apple Tax only pay a significant part in some developers lives, they don’t matter to the public in the same way utilities do. > I’m saying that Apples obstinance is going to lead them there. Unlikely, the iOS appdev lobbyists don’t have that kind of pull.

by rosndo 5y ago

criddell 5y ago

> Apple can charge whatever they feel is appropriate. I think you are answering a slightly different question than I’m asking. You might think they should be allowed to run their platform however they want but the reality is that because of their size and power, they can’t. Regulators will at least force them to allow alternate payment providers and if Apple keeps pushing back, they will eventually be forced to allow side loading or alternate app stores (which I would think would be a disaster). So given the regulatory environment they exist in, they only way their current strategy is smart is if they can defeat the EU. I don’t think they can and I think we will all be worse off in a few years because of Apple’s petulance.

rosndo 5y ago
> Regulators will at least force them to allow alternate payment providers Yes, but the 27% apple tax is separate from the payment providers.
- criddell 5y ago
  yep, and that’s probably what’s going to get them in the most trouble. The platform is getting to the point where I could see it being regulated like a public utility.
  - rosndo 5y ago
    That’s a hilariously bad comparison. If my electricity company starts fucking around, people might literally freeze to death. Apple store is not at all like a public utility, it would be downright madness to regulate it like such. Public utilities have very real impact on the lives of the public, Apple tax doesn’t.
    - criddell 5y ago
      How about if your telephone company starts fucking around? As more services are provided through apps, the stakes grow. I agree with you that it shouldn’t be regulated like a utility. I’m saying that Apples obstinance is going to lead them there.
      - rosndo 5y ago
        > How about if your telephone company starts fucking around? If emergency calls don’t work, people die. Phone calls not working would have significant economic impact too, although less so nowadays. The transactions covered by Apple Tax only pay a significant part in some developers lives, they don’t matter to the public in the same way utilities do. > I’m saying that Apples obstinance is going to lead them there. Unlikely, the iOS appdev lobbyists don’t have that kind of pull.