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FWIW, there's JetBrains's JetBrainsRuntime project [1] containing Swing patches for eg HiDPI support and other things. Haven't worked with it, nor do I have a s

FWIW, there's JetBrains's JetBrainsRuntime project [1] containing Swing patches for eg HiDPI support and other things. Haven't worked with it, nor do I have a stake in it; just mentioning it because JetBrain are one of the few companies delivering kick-ass, commercially successful, mainstream desktop software using Java/Swing today. [1]: https://github.com/JetBrains/JetBrainsRuntime https://github.com/JetBrains/JetBrainsRuntime

kaba0 5y ago
Is there a reason these are not getting backported to OpenJDK? I know that jetbrains do contribute a bit, but I feel like their model of having way out of date jdks shipped (offering worse performance then available) is not a good one. (They just recently switched to 11, and was still using the old concurrentms GC, over which G1 runs circles, let alone ZGC)
- MrBuddyCasino 5y ago
  Its possible to run IntelliJ with a Java 17 runtime now, not out of the box but there is a download somewhere.
- gjvc 5y ago
  It is absolutely awful by default; IntelliJ apps are slow to the point of being unusable out of the box. The good news is that it is easily fixed (at least for my use case). I have tinkered a bit and running them on JDK16 or later, with JATOC has been a life-saver for me the past year, and reduced my paying subscription to an act of charity. "Develop with pleasure" is well and truly dead until they make the out-of-box experience FAST.
  - brabel 5y ago
    What are you comparing against? VSCode with a ton of plugins to almost match IntelliJ? Because that's a lot slower than IntelliJ in my experience, not even close... I am currently using IntelliJ heavily at work and I would agree it was too slow for a gigantic project we have... but there's literally no alternatives that work nearly as great (Eclipse, Emacs, VSCode, tried them all, they mostly can't even load a project like ours --- Eclipse can but it's a pain to index everything on re-builds)... but since I got a Mac M1 Pro, IntelliJ again feels light and snappy :D unfortunately, having the best hardware possible seems necessary now, as ever.
    - gjvc 5y ago
      my expectation is that a 64GB 8 core Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1230 v5 @ 3.40GHz with NVMe disk and nvidia graphics on the latest Debian should be much faster running PyCharm than it is in reality.
      - miskin 5y ago
        I develop on mid 2014 15" MacBook Pro mid with 16GB of RAM and 150k LOC Java project works quite ok with latest Idea. It probably depends on what expectations are. It's hardly comparable experience to what was available 10-20 years ago.
        gjvc 5y ago
        Good for you. You are on a platform seemingly preferred by JetBrains.

kaba0 5y ago

Is there a reason these are not getting backported to OpenJDK? I know that jetbrains do contribute a bit, but I feel like their model of having way out of date jdks shipped (offering worse performance then available) is not a good one. (They just recently switched to 11, and was still using the old concurrentms GC, over which G1 runs circles, let alone ZGC)

MrBuddyCasino 5y ago
Its possible to run IntelliJ with a Java 17 runtime now, not out of the box but there is a download somewhere.
gjvc 5y ago
It is absolutely awful by default; IntelliJ apps are slow to the point of being unusable out of the box. The good news is that it is easily fixed (at least for my use case). I have tinkered a bit and running them on JDK16 or later, with JATOC has been a life-saver for me the past year, and reduced my paying subscription to an act of charity. "Develop with pleasure" is well and truly dead until they make the out-of-box experience FAST.
- brabel 5y ago
  What are you comparing against? VSCode with a ton of plugins to almost match IntelliJ? Because that's a lot slower than IntelliJ in my experience, not even close... I am currently using IntelliJ heavily at work and I would agree it was too slow for a gigantic project we have... but there's literally no alternatives that work nearly as great (Eclipse, Emacs, VSCode, tried them all, they mostly can't even load a project like ours --- Eclipse can but it's a pain to index everything on re-builds)... but since I got a Mac M1 Pro, IntelliJ again feels light and snappy :D unfortunately, having the best hardware possible seems necessary now, as ever.
  - gjvc 5y ago
    my expectation is that a 64GB 8 core Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1230 v5 @ 3.40GHz with NVMe disk and nvidia graphics on the latest Debian should be much faster running PyCharm than it is in reality.
    - miskin 5y ago
      I develop on mid 2014 15" MacBook Pro mid with 16GB of RAM and 150k LOC Java project works quite ok with latest Idea. It probably depends on what expectations are. It's hardly comparable experience to what was available 10-20 years ago.
      - gjvc 5y ago
        Good for you. You are on a platform seemingly preferred by JetBrains.