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That description of what happened in Seattle is inaccurate. See https://kuow.org/stories/we-know-who-made-the-call-to-seattle-police-s-east-precinct-last-summer

That description of what happened in Seattle is inaccurate. See https://kuow.org/stories/we-know-who-made-the-call-to-seattle-police-s-east-precinct-last-summer-finally https://kuow.org/stories/we-know-who-made-the-call-to-seattl... Mid-level police commanders unilaterally decided to abandon the precinct, which allowed CHAZ to form. Not “the city,” and not in the face of “armed rebellion.” (Yes, there were guns and unfortunate violence later: after the police left. Their job is maintaining public order; they failed.)

southerntofu 5y ago
The police job in the history of modern republics was never to maintain "public order", unless by that you mean preventing disruption of existing systems of privilege. I can only recommend reading Michel Foucault "Discipline and Punish" about the society of control, and the roles of the police and judicial system.
- slices 5y ago
  If you do so, I recommend keeping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Foucault#Views_on_underage_sex_and_pedophilia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Foucault#Views_on_under... in mind
  - southerntofu 5y ago
    Hello, that's a good point! We should always point out pedophilia where it's hiding. However, from previous readings and from following the linked sources of that Wikipedia article, i don't think that Foucault was a pedophile. He did (like many other thinkers of the time) sign a petition defending someone who didn't deserve it, but it's easy to judge in retrospect as the precise context of the case was not publicly known at the time of the petition. But nowhere could i read him arguing for pedophilia or suggesting he himself engaged in such abhorrent behavior.
    - FooBarBizBazz 5y ago
      Here is a not-terribly-biased source: https://theoryreader.org/2021/03/30/french-philosopher-michel-foucault-abused-boys-in-tunisia/ https://theoryreader.org/2021/03/30/french-philosopher-miche... Here is a more conservative one (yet still, the essay is very good), which also brings up how he knowingly spread HIV to young men in San Francisco: https://newcriterion.com/issues/1993/3/the-perversions-of-m-foucault https://newcriterion.com/issues/1993/3/the-perversions-of-m-...

southerntofu 5y ago

The police job in the history of modern republics was never to maintain "public order", unless by that you mean preventing disruption of existing systems of privilege. I can only recommend reading Michel Foucault "Discipline and Punish" about the society of control, and the roles of the police and judicial system.

slices 5y ago
If you do so, I recommend keeping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Foucault#Views_on_underage_sex_and_pedophilia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Foucault#Views_on_under... in mind
- southerntofu 5y ago
  Hello, that's a good point! We should always point out pedophilia where it's hiding. However, from previous readings and from following the linked sources of that Wikipedia article, i don't think that Foucault was a pedophile. He did (like many other thinkers of the time) sign a petition defending someone who didn't deserve it, but it's easy to judge in retrospect as the precise context of the case was not publicly known at the time of the petition. But nowhere could i read him arguing for pedophilia or suggesting he himself engaged in such abhorrent behavior.
  - FooBarBizBazz 5y ago
    Here is a not-terribly-biased source: https://theoryreader.org/2021/03/30/french-philosopher-michel-foucault-abused-boys-in-tunisia/ https://theoryreader.org/2021/03/30/french-philosopher-miche... Here is a more conservative one (yet still, the essay is very good), which also brings up how he knowingly spread HIV to young men in San Francisco: https://newcriterion.com/issues/1993/3/the-perversions-of-m-foucault https://newcriterion.com/issues/1993/3/the-perversions-of-m-...