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Here is a YouTube channel that has been doing extended livestreams from the ground with both protestors and counter-protestors: https://www.youtube.com/channel/

Here is a YouTube channel that has been doing extended livestreams from the ground with both protestors and counter-protestors: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzGiDDKdphJ0GFvEd82WfYQ/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzGiDDKdphJ0GFvEd82WfYQ/vid... As I wrote elsewhere in this thread [1], I recommend taking a look at this channel or other extended livestreams to get a view from the ground if your impression of this event has been mostly shaped by articles. That recommendation goes for all major protests, especially if you think you disagree with the people protesting. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30340938 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30340938

TravHatesMe 5y ago
You should be upfront about his political bias (which is in his best interest as it is his source of revenue). Don't get me wrong I like his videos but I also like hearing from the other side for good measure. Perhaps it is pedantic to point out that everyone has a political leaning but I think it is good to be upfront so that people can consider the biases of the input in order to make a more informed opinion. Or perhaps others should gauge the political bias themselves? That's a question of philosophy and ethics. I wish that everyone had enough skepticism and critical thinking to question everything and be conscious of their measures of validity and invalidity.
- sdsaga12 5y ago
  I appear to have rate-limited from editing that comment after double clicking on mobile, but this is what I was going to add: Edit: As I note in the linked comment, this channel is openly supportive of the protests. As I also write there, a quick YouTube search will yield a large variety of other sources. The important thing is finding sources with long and unedited footage. As Jacques Ellul observed, "propaganda ceases where simple dialogue begins." (This seems to be the primary driver of interest in long-form podcasts.) I chose to share a channel with a positive bias because 1.) in my view Frei does a respectable job engaging counter-protestors with opposing views and 2.) in my view, mainstream coverage of this skews more negative than is warranted based on having watched many hours of livestream footage.
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    Interesting you are getting rate-limited for showing this.
    - gammarator 5y ago
      I get rate limited on mobile all the time. It doesn’t mean anything.
      - _ofdw 5y ago
        I'm under the impression that rate-limiting is manually applied by the moderators on a per-user basis. *edit: Ironically I've been rate limited and can't continue this conversation, lmao
        octoberfranklin 5y ago
        It is really sad that our knowledge of these policies is limited to guesses and rumors, and that there is no public log of moderation actions.
        labster 5y ago
        Honest question: why is it sad? There’s another thread[0] going on here right now about how human processes shouldn’t manage pathological cases with policy and procedure. Moderation is all about pathological and edge cases. Mod actions that work on some users every time may not work at all on others. I don’t believe treating us all the same is the best way to get quality discussion, and transparency is not an end in itself outside of government. So how… how would a moderation log and strict policies make HN a better place? [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30340588 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30340588
        PhantomGremlin 5y ago
        rate-limiting is manually applied by the moderators Given: 1) HN was started by / is moderated by "computer nerds" (IMO you're hardcore if you write it in lisp) 2) 'dang' is the only acknowledged public moderator (some small? number of additional secret moderators also exist) It follows that: It's difficult and doesn’t scale to "manually" apply rate limiting. Most / all such action is highly automated. At least that's my wild, possibly way-off-base guess.
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  It would be nice for once if NYT/FOX wrote a positive story against their bias. It is not all __insert_the_worst_interpretation__. I blame the big media for sowing so much division because they flatout refuse to write a positive story about the other side.
- rayiner 5y ago
  I’m fine with that so long as we caveat all sources the same way. “Liberal news outlet the New York Times said, …”
barbacoa 5y ago
Another YT channel that records videos of street view of public protests or events. They don't have any narrative to push, they instead license the content to the media. https://youtube.com/user/DCNews2Share https://youtube.com/user/DCNews2Share What ever the YouTube channel attribute flag to throttle visibility is, is probably set to max as they never get more than a few hundred views.
Solvitieg 5y ago
There are even better Youtube channels which remains largely apolitical, like this one by a citizen journalist: Ottawa Walks: https://www.youtube.com/c/Ottawalks/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/Ottawalks/videos Pre-convoy this user was just doing walking live streams around the city.
- deleted 5y ago
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_clhx 5y ago
Freedom of speech ends IMO when people can't sleep or enjoy the city they live in for a very extended time b/c of the 24/7 honking. I am all for demonstrating, but I think it is a little ridiculous what they are doing.
- analogdreams 5y ago
  - SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
    I don’t think blocking up and honking in a random city where the politicians don’t actually live will do all that much, just expressing frustration at other citizens who have done nothing to harm them. I think those citizens in turn are right to be angry and upset and feel they are being disrupted because they are. I don’t begrudge them this and I don’t think it has anything to do with social betters or not. Having spoken to folks who live there, it apparently really is super disruptive, one person reportedly couldn’t get chemo because of the disruption.
    - analogdreams 5y ago
      - chabes 5y ago
      - rpeden 5y ago
        Not many of us up here are too concerned with American protests and quotes from American politicians. I don't mean to take anything away from them - just that I'm not sure how applicable they are here. Most Canadians I know (whether on the left or right of the political spectrum) would find those quotes from AOC and Waters to be profoundly un-Canadian. I realize I don't know everyone and can't speak for everything, though. The BLM protest in Ottawa showed up, stayed peaceful, protested, and left. As did all of the many protests I saw while living in downtown Ottawa. I have friends living in the area still and they were subjected to a sleepless week of harassment by damagingly loud train horns and people giving them shit for choosing to wear a mask. That's not a peaceful protest. It's not just discomfort. It's a crime. And the fact they're behaving better now doesn't erase their past behaviour. I think that having a discussion on ending mandates is fine. It's a good time for that. But I also want to see them face legal consequences for their behaviour toward the innocent citizens of Centretown. And I don't like how they tried to blackmail the government into making changes by hurting their fellow citizens. I think that is undemocratic.
panarky 5y ago
Did this Youtuber report the arsenal of weapons seized from "peaceful protesters"? If not, then maybe not the most unbiased source of information. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blockade-arrests-rcmp-monday-1.6351112 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blocka...

TravHatesMe 5y ago

You should be upfront about his political bias (which is in his best interest as it is his source of revenue). Don't get me wrong I like his videos but I also like hearing from the other side for good measure. Perhaps it is pedantic to point out that everyone has a political leaning but I think it is good to be upfront so that people can consider the biases of the input in order to make a more informed opinion. Or perhaps others should gauge the political bias themselves? That's a question of philosophy and ethics. I wish that everyone had enough skepticism and critical thinking to question everything and be conscious of their measures of validity and invalidity.

sdsaga12 5y ago
I appear to have rate-limited from editing that comment after double clicking on mobile, but this is what I was going to add: Edit: As I note in the linked comment, this channel is openly supportive of the protests. As I also write there, a quick YouTube search will yield a large variety of other sources. The important thing is finding sources with long and unedited footage. As Jacques Ellul observed, "propaganda ceases where simple dialogue begins." (This seems to be the primary driver of interest in long-form podcasts.) I chose to share a channel with a positive bias because 1.) in my view Frei does a respectable job engaging counter-protestors with opposing views and 2.) in my view, mainstream coverage of this skews more negative than is warranted based on having watched many hours of livestream footage.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  Interesting you are getting rate-limited for showing this.
  - gammarator 5y ago
    I get rate limited on mobile all the time. It doesn’t mean anything.
    - _ofdw 5y ago
      I'm under the impression that rate-limiting is manually applied by the moderators on a per-user basis. *edit: Ironically I've been rate limited and can't continue this conversation, lmao
      - octoberfranklin 5y ago
        It is really sad that our knowledge of these policies is limited to guesses and rumors, and that there is no public log of moderation actions.
        labster 5y ago
        Honest question: why is it sad? There’s another thread[0] going on here right now about how human processes shouldn’t manage pathological cases with policy and procedure. Moderation is all about pathological and edge cases. Mod actions that work on some users every time may not work at all on others. I don’t believe treating us all the same is the best way to get quality discussion, and transparency is not an end in itself outside of government. So how… how would a moderation log and strict policies make HN a better place? [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30340588 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30340588
      - PhantomGremlin 5y ago
        rate-limiting is manually applied by the moderators Given: 1) HN was started by / is moderated by "computer nerds" (IMO you're hardcore if you write it in lisp) 2) 'dang' is the only acknowledged public moderator (some small? number of additional secret moderators also exist) It follows that: It's difficult and doesn’t scale to "manually" apply rate limiting. Most / all such action is highly automated. At least that's my wild, possibly way-off-base guess.
systemvoltage 5y ago
It would be nice for once if NYT/FOX wrote a positive story against their bias. It is not all __insert_the_worst_interpretation__. I blame the big media for sowing so much division because they flatout refuse to write a positive story about the other side.
rayiner 5y ago
I’m fine with that so long as we caveat all sources the same way. “Liberal news outlet the New York Times said, …”

barbacoa 5y ago

Another YT channel that records videos of street view of public protests or events. They don't have any narrative to push, they instead license the content to the media. https://youtube.com/user/DCNews2Share https://youtube.com/user/DCNews2Share What ever the YouTube channel attribute flag to throttle visibility is, is probably set to max as they never get more than a few hundred views.

Solvitieg 5y ago

There are even better Youtube channels which remains largely apolitical, like this one by a citizen journalist: Ottawa Walks: https://www.youtube.com/c/Ottawalks/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/Ottawalks/videos Pre-convoy this user was just doing walking live streams around the city.

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_clhx 5y ago

Freedom of speech ends IMO when people can't sleep or enjoy the city they live in for a very extended time b/c of the 24/7 honking. I am all for demonstrating, but I think it is a little ridiculous what they are doing.

analogdreams 5y ago
- SamoyedFurFluff 5y ago
  I don’t think blocking up and honking in a random city where the politicians don’t actually live will do all that much, just expressing frustration at other citizens who have done nothing to harm them. I think those citizens in turn are right to be angry and upset and feel they are being disrupted because they are. I don’t begrudge them this and I don’t think it has anything to do with social betters or not. Having spoken to folks who live there, it apparently really is super disruptive, one person reportedly couldn’t get chemo because of the disruption.
  - analogdreams 5y ago
    - chabes 5y ago
    - rpeden 5y ago
      Not many of us up here are too concerned with American protests and quotes from American politicians. I don't mean to take anything away from them - just that I'm not sure how applicable they are here. Most Canadians I know (whether on the left or right of the political spectrum) would find those quotes from AOC and Waters to be profoundly un-Canadian. I realize I don't know everyone and can't speak for everything, though. The BLM protest in Ottawa showed up, stayed peaceful, protested, and left. As did all of the many protests I saw while living in downtown Ottawa. I have friends living in the area still and they were subjected to a sleepless week of harassment by damagingly loud train horns and people giving them shit for choosing to wear a mask. That's not a peaceful protest. It's not just discomfort. It's a crime. And the fact they're behaving better now doesn't erase their past behaviour. I think that having a discussion on ending mandates is fine. It's a good time for that. But I also want to see them face legal consequences for their behaviour toward the innocent citizens of Centretown. And I don't like how they tried to blackmail the government into making changes by hurting their fellow citizens. I think that is undemocratic.

panarky 5y ago

Did this Youtuber report the arsenal of weapons seized from "peaceful protesters"? If not, then maybe not the most unbiased source of information. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blockade-arrests-rcmp-monday-1.6351112 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blocka...