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Trudeau is calling the whole protest illegal. Last week they arrested an old man for merely honking his horn to show support. So, anyone attending a protest i

Trudeau is calling the whole protest illegal. Last week they arrested an old man for merely honking his horn to show support. So, anyone attending a protest is joining an illegal activity...and can have their accounts frozen. There's no guarantee of due process in Canada's constitution?

SECProto 5y ago
> Trudeau is calling the whole protest illegal. The whole protest has been illegal from the start (violating the highway traffic act) > Last week they arrested an old man for merely honking his horn to show support. Source? Either way, yes, there was an injunction granted specifically against honking horns. > So, anyone attending a protest is joining an illegal activity...and can have their accounts frozen. No, anyone attending this specific protest at this specific time when there is a provincial state of an emergency (and now the invoking of the federal emergencies act, which requires provincial assent) is joining an illegal activity, and anyone providing monetary support to said illegal activity may have their accounts frozen. > There's no guarantee of due process in Canada's constitution? There is indeed. The Emergencies Act is subject to the charter of rights and freedoms, section 7 of which covers legal rights[1] and section 1 of which lays out how these rights are subject to "such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society". It'll be up to the courts to decide after the fact whether these restrictions were demonstrably justified (hint: with the province declaring the protest illegal, declaring a state of emergency last week, and the protesters totally refusing to move: they will be found justified. Our court system is not nearly as politicized as our southern neighbours') [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms#Legal_rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and...
- yonaguska 5y ago
  https://youtu.be/Ea-7RKpRNIk https://youtu.be/Ea-7RKpRNIk Man arrested for honking
  - abstract_put 5y ago
    It looks like the old man was stopped for honking. Not sure on the timing of everything, there was an injunction granted against honking downtown Ottawa. He appears to have been arrested for refusing to identify himself when stopped (it looks like he was intending to, then emboldened by the cameraman opted not to). That's bog standard highway traffic act stuff - if you're stopped driving, you have to show your license, registration and proof of insurance if asked. To say "arrested for honking" feels misleading - it seems reasonable to suggest that if he followed standard Highway Traffic Act stuff he would have been on his way with a warning/ticket/whatever is done presently to stop the honking, doesn't it? I'm open to have misunderstood, I'm not even qualified to be an armchair lawyer.
- kerneloftruth 5y ago
  The only thing sadder than the authoritarian measures adopted in Canada and Australia is the glee with which so many of their citizens embrace it.
  - SECProto 5y ago
    Then write to your selected member of parliament and complain about it, help campaigns and candidates next election who better align with your view, or run yourself! But you might be better served to first examine the reasons why so many Canadians are in favour of various restrictions that have been introduced (and eventually once again withdrawn), by every party and every level of government in the last two years. It's mostly because we have much more faith than our American counterparts that our institutions will do what's right for all Canadians.
    - frabbit 5y ago
      > Then write to your selected member of parliament and complain about it, help campaigns and candidates next election who better align with your view, or run yourself! What about an online petition or a bake sale? Less sarcastically: there are frequently situations in which a majority may democratically decide to make a minority behave in a certain way. I think it is relatively clear from opinion polls that a majority of Canadians do not agree with the behavior of the truckers. So writing to an MP or running for parliament will probably be a fruitless strategy. Hence the protests. It would be trivial to find unpleasant, widely-condemned situations in which you and I would probably be united in our opposition. The difficulty comes when the minority being forced to behave in a certain way are non-appealing in some way. Democracies need to find a way of dealing with them. It will be horse-trading, negotiation, cajoling, appealing and arguing. None of those strategies were applied by the Trudeau government before they became hysterical and tried to claim they were having a Canadian version of Jan 6th. I am certain that many Canadians both do not agree with the apparent demands of the truckers and simultaneously do not agree with the application of the Emergencies Act. I found this podcast interesting: three interviews with people who were doxxed as donors. I disagreed with the first two, but the third one seemed like a very sane person: https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/756-how-i-ended-up-supporting-the-convoy/ https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/756-how-i-ended-up-suppor...
- listenallyall 5y ago
  This is a parody post, right? Like your claims are so absurd as to convince readers the government has overreached, yes? > violating the highway traffic act Show me the man, and I'll find you a crime. Seriously man, what the fuck is the "Highway Traffic Act." > an injunction granted specifically against honking horns Let's simply declare a benign activity that people do thousands of times per day in every city, illegal! > this specific protest at this specific time But also, you better not show up at similar protests at other times either > provincial state of an emergency Yep, the blanket "emergency declaration" that makes virtually everything we don't like, illegal > joining an illegal activity because we just declared whatever you are doing to be illegal > anyone providing monetary support to said illegal activity may have their accounts frozen so you don't have to be a protester to be engulfed by this, just offering $5 so someone can get a coffee means you could have your accounts frozen. Cast a wide net, indeed! > It'll be up to the courts to decide after the fact Yes, by judges who are appointed by Canada's federal government!
jsjsbdkj 5y ago
They haven't arrested anyone for doing anything. The cops literally just stand around and watch people.
moistly 5y ago
Arrested for refusing to identify himself. He had been blowing the horn in a residential area for quite a long time. Cops came by to tell him to knock it off, he refused to cooperate with them.
bawolff 5y ago
> Last week they arrested an old man for merely honking his horn to show support. Isn't there a court order forbidding that? Ignoring court orders is a crime and there is plenty of due process around that.
908B64B197 5y ago
> Last week they arrested an old man for merely honking his horn to show support Managed to hurt him too. Imagine being in law enforcement. Coming home to your family and brag about how you physically hurt an old man and bullied him out of his constitutional rights.

SECProto 5y ago

> Trudeau is calling the whole protest illegal. The whole protest has been illegal from the start (violating the highway traffic act) > Last week they arrested an old man for merely honking his horn to show support. Source? Either way, yes, there was an injunction granted specifically against honking horns. > So, anyone attending a protest is joining an illegal activity...and can have their accounts frozen. No, anyone attending this specific protest at this specific time when there is a provincial state of an emergency (and now the invoking of the federal emergencies act, which requires provincial assent) is joining an illegal activity, and anyone providing monetary support to said illegal activity may have their accounts frozen. > There's no guarantee of due process in Canada's constitution? There is indeed. The Emergencies Act is subject to the charter of rights and freedoms, section 7 of which covers legal rights[1] and section 1 of which lays out how these rights are subject to "such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society". It'll be up to the courts to decide after the fact whether these restrictions were demonstrably justified (hint: with the province declaring the protest illegal, declaring a state of emergency last week, and the protesters totally refusing to move: they will be found justified. Our court system is not nearly as politicized as our southern neighbours') [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms#Legal_rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and...

yonaguska 5y ago
https://youtu.be/Ea-7RKpRNIk https://youtu.be/Ea-7RKpRNIk Man arrested for honking
- abstract_put 5y ago
  It looks like the old man was stopped for honking. Not sure on the timing of everything, there was an injunction granted against honking downtown Ottawa. He appears to have been arrested for refusing to identify himself when stopped (it looks like he was intending to, then emboldened by the cameraman opted not to). That's bog standard highway traffic act stuff - if you're stopped driving, you have to show your license, registration and proof of insurance if asked. To say "arrested for honking" feels misleading - it seems reasonable to suggest that if he followed standard Highway Traffic Act stuff he would have been on his way with a warning/ticket/whatever is done presently to stop the honking, doesn't it? I'm open to have misunderstood, I'm not even qualified to be an armchair lawyer.
kerneloftruth 5y ago
The only thing sadder than the authoritarian measures adopted in Canada and Australia is the glee with which so many of their citizens embrace it.
- SECProto 5y ago
  Then write to your selected member of parliament and complain about it, help campaigns and candidates next election who better align with your view, or run yourself! But you might be better served to first examine the reasons why so many Canadians are in favour of various restrictions that have been introduced (and eventually once again withdrawn), by every party and every level of government in the last two years. It's mostly because we have much more faith than our American counterparts that our institutions will do what's right for all Canadians.
  - frabbit 5y ago
    > Then write to your selected member of parliament and complain about it, help campaigns and candidates next election who better align with your view, or run yourself! What about an online petition or a bake sale? Less sarcastically: there are frequently situations in which a majority may democratically decide to make a minority behave in a certain way. I think it is relatively clear from opinion polls that a majority of Canadians do not agree with the behavior of the truckers. So writing to an MP or running for parliament will probably be a fruitless strategy. Hence the protests. It would be trivial to find unpleasant, widely-condemned situations in which you and I would probably be united in our opposition. The difficulty comes when the minority being forced to behave in a certain way are non-appealing in some way. Democracies need to find a way of dealing with them. It will be horse-trading, negotiation, cajoling, appealing and arguing. None of those strategies were applied by the Trudeau government before they became hysterical and tried to claim they were having a Canadian version of Jan 6th. I am certain that many Canadians both do not agree with the apparent demands of the truckers and simultaneously do not agree with the application of the Emergencies Act. I found this podcast interesting: three interviews with people who were doxxed as donors. I disagreed with the first two, but the third one seemed like a very sane person: https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/756-how-i-ended-up-supporting-the-convoy/ https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/756-how-i-ended-up-suppor...
listenallyall 5y ago
This is a parody post, right? Like your claims are so absurd as to convince readers the government has overreached, yes? > violating the highway traffic act Show me the man, and I'll find you a crime. Seriously man, what the fuck is the "Highway Traffic Act." > an injunction granted specifically against honking horns Let's simply declare a benign activity that people do thousands of times per day in every city, illegal! > this specific protest at this specific time But also, you better not show up at similar protests at other times either > provincial state of an emergency Yep, the blanket "emergency declaration" that makes virtually everything we don't like, illegal > joining an illegal activity because we just declared whatever you are doing to be illegal > anyone providing monetary support to said illegal activity may have their accounts frozen so you don't have to be a protester to be engulfed by this, just offering $5 so someone can get a coffee means you could have your accounts frozen. Cast a wide net, indeed! > It'll be up to the courts to decide after the fact Yes, by judges who are appointed by Canada's federal government!

jsjsbdkj 5y ago

They haven't arrested anyone for doing anything. The cops literally just stand around and watch people.

moistly 5y ago

Arrested for refusing to identify himself. He had been blowing the horn in a residential area for quite a long time. Cops came by to tell him to knock it off, he refused to cooperate with them.

bawolff 5y ago

> Last week they arrested an old man for merely honking his horn to show support. Isn't there a court order forbidding that? Ignoring court orders is a crime and there is plenty of due process around that.

908B64B197 5y ago

> Last week they arrested an old man for merely honking his horn to show support Managed to hurt him too. Imagine being in law enforcement. Coming home to your family and brag about how you physically hurt an old man and bullied him out of his constitutional rights.