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I’ll get shot if I drive without a license and insurance? Damn….

mwint 5y ago
For sure. You may get a ticket the first couple times, then they'll take you to jail (where you cannot drive). If you insist on continuing to drive, that means you have to resist going to jail. Resisting going to jail is an excellent way to have force used on you, up to and including guns. Heck, if the right country wants you in jail for the right reasons, you could flee somewhere else and have the _Air Force_ used against you.
feanaro 5y ago
No, but you'll get detained and then you'll like your freedom back so you'll try to walk away, but they won't let you. If you insist, you'll eventually get shot.
- mortenlarsen 5y ago
  Really? Where I live, cops only shoot if necessary, and someone getting away is not a valid reason. Maybe in some very extreme case they would, but it is better that someone escapes custody than someone (including the suspect dying). Then again, just a cop drawing a weapon or firing a weapon usually makes the news.
  - mwint 5y ago
    So you're saying that, in your region, it's possible to have a warrant (say, for failure to appear at your unpaid-ticket trial) and avoid jail by... running away? Indefinitely? They won't arrest you the next chance they get (say, when your plate shows up on a scanner)? I'd propose that avoiding jail indefinitely will eventually lead to violence in any halfway-organized jurisdiction. And if you start shooting, eventually the government will shoot back. All over a driving misdemeanor. We just assume that reasonable people won't let these things escalate that far, but yes: Every law written is ultimately enforced by a man (or woman) with a gun.
    - lovecg 5y ago
      If we’re arguing technicalities, a gun is not strictly speaking required. If it’s you against 20 cops they can just physically subdue you and throw you in jail. At no point they even need to threaten to shoot you. So a threat of physical force - yes. Actual guns and deadly force - not in every situation.
    - mortenlarsen 5y ago
      They will shoot you to defend themselves and others if necessary. But not to prevent you from escaping. They will overpower you if they get the chance. Bottom line: If you are not a danger to anyone, they will let you escape rather than kill anyone (including you), even if it means you are never brought to justice. It makes a lot of sense, if you don't have a revenge based justice system.
aksss 5y ago
Do it enough, and ignore the authority of the government to require these things of you, and eventually violence will come of it (forcibly ensure your appearance or imprison you, and that force knows no upper limit if you keep resisting).

For sure. You may get a ticket the first couple times, then they'll take you to jail (where you cannot drive). If you insist on continuing to drive, that means you have to resist going to jail. Resisting going to jail is an excellent way to have force used on you, up to and including guns. Heck, if the right country wants you in jail for the right reasons, you could flee somewhere else and have the _Air Force_ used against you.

feanaro 5y ago

No, but you'll get detained and then you'll like your freedom back so you'll try to walk away, but they won't let you. If you insist, you'll eventually get shot.

mortenlarsen 5y ago
Really? Where I live, cops only shoot if necessary, and someone getting away is not a valid reason. Maybe in some very extreme case they would, but it is better that someone escapes custody than someone (including the suspect dying). Then again, just a cop drawing a weapon or firing a weapon usually makes the news.
- mwint 5y ago
  So you're saying that, in your region, it's possible to have a warrant (say, for failure to appear at your unpaid-ticket trial) and avoid jail by... running away? Indefinitely? They won't arrest you the next chance they get (say, when your plate shows up on a scanner)? I'd propose that avoiding jail indefinitely will eventually lead to violence in any halfway-organized jurisdiction. And if you start shooting, eventually the government will shoot back. All over a driving misdemeanor. We just assume that reasonable people won't let these things escalate that far, but yes: Every law written is ultimately enforced by a man (or woman) with a gun.
  - lovecg 5y ago
    If we’re arguing technicalities, a gun is not strictly speaking required. If it’s you against 20 cops they can just physically subdue you and throw you in jail. At no point they even need to threaten to shoot you. So a threat of physical force - yes. Actual guns and deadly force - not in every situation.
  - mortenlarsen 5y ago
    They will shoot you to defend themselves and others if necessary. But not to prevent you from escaping. They will overpower you if they get the chance. Bottom line: If you are not a danger to anyone, they will let you escape rather than kill anyone (including you), even if it means you are never brought to justice. It makes a lot of sense, if you don't have a revenge based justice system.

aksss 5y ago

Do it enough, and ignore the authority of the government to require these things of you, and eventually violence will come of it (forcibly ensure your appearance or imprison you, and that force knows no upper limit if you keep resisting).