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I agree. I have no idea how Canada's legal system works but I would not trust the american executive branch with this power without the authorization of a judge

I agree. I have no idea how Canada's legal system works but I would not trust the american executive branch with this power without the authorization of a judge. Even then it feels too easily abused, but you can already do a lot worse with a judge's sign off and there are certainly cases where the power makes sense. Is this something that has precedent in Canada?

mod50ack 5y ago
Yes. Trudeau's father did the same thing (look up "Just watch me"). Anyway, there's no such thing as separation of powers in Canada. It's called Parliamentary Sovereignty.
- jsjsbdkj 5y ago
  I mean, Trudeau's father called in the military because a terrorist group kidnapped a government minister and set off multiple bombs. This is pretty small potatoes compared to the FLQ. We don't have the concept of co-equal branches of government, but the judiciary can declare acts of parliament to violate the charter of rights and freedoms. The Emergencies Act explicitly says it does not supercede any constitutional rights.
  - bremac 5y ago
    The legislature in my home province is closed to the public due to threats: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/security-risk-closes-nova-scotia-legislature-to-visitors-1.6347222 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/security-risk-clo... Several MPs and MLAs have received suspicious packages: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/mike-kelloway-suspicious-package-1.6346944 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/mike-kelloway-sus... "Protesters" tried to break into a federal MP's constituency office: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/covid-19-protests-politicians-extremism-threats-1.6349254 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/covid-19-protests... And that's just Nova Scotia. This isn't as bad as the October Crisis, but it's still quite serious. It's not small potatoes.
    - earleybird 5y ago
      There was concern of over-reach when Pierre invoke the War Measures Act also. The War Measures Act included all of Canada, not just the geography the FLQ was operating in. I was fairly young at the time but I still have a recollection of the bombing, kidnapping and murder. I can't reconcile the current protest demands with say the FLQ manifesto[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLQ_Manifesto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLQ_Manifesto
- bawolff 5y ago
  Canada isn't britian. The constitution is supreme, and courts will enforce it.
- ctrlp 5y ago
  Trudeau is the spitting image of his biological father both in appearance and approach to government. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
hluska 5y ago
Here is a quote from Canada’s Deputy Prime Minister, Chrystia Freeland: “The government is issuing an order with immediate effect under the Emergencies Act, authorizing Canadian financial institutions to temporarily cease providing financial services where the institution suspects that an account is being used to further the illegal blockades and occupations,” she said. “This order covers both personal and corporate accounts.” —- Under Canadian law, the Liberal government has to put this before both the House of Commons and Senate within 7 days.
- bregma 5y ago
  Just to clarify, under Canadian law the government has to put the use of the Emergencies Act before the House and Senate withing 7 days. It doesn't matter what colour the government is. The law itself was passed by a Progressive Conservative government to whom it would have applied exactly the same way.
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    But the orders are in affect now.
    - hluska 5y ago
      Yes, of course it is. I replied to someone who said they have no idea how Canadian law worked. Commons/Senate approval is part of the Emergency Act and the current government has to follow it.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    > Progressive Conservative government Say what? Those two are literally polar opposites. I guess they can be progressive on the social scale and conservative on the economic one, but there's got to be a better name for that.
    - salamandersauce 5y ago
      So Canada used to have a party called the Conservative Party (they do now too again). They wanted a guy named John Bracken who was Premier of Manitoba under the Progressive party of Manitoba to be leader. He wouldn't agree until they put Progressive in their name. So they did and Conservative Party became the Progressive Conservative Party until they merged with the Reform Party and went back to being called the Conservative Party. Some provinces still have a PC party.
pkaye 5y ago
We already have civil forfeiture in the US. The police can just claim the money is linked to criminal activity and seize it.
- mattnewton 5y ago
  That's unfortunately true, however those cases are frequently reversed and returned by judges (though the burden is entirely on the asset owners to bring the case). We definitely need legislation to invert the process though, law enforcement should be going to a judge before they can seize the assets.

mod50ack 5y ago

Yes. Trudeau's father did the same thing (look up "Just watch me"). Anyway, there's no such thing as separation of powers in Canada. It's called Parliamentary Sovereignty.

jsjsbdkj 5y ago
I mean, Trudeau's father called in the military because a terrorist group kidnapped a government minister and set off multiple bombs. This is pretty small potatoes compared to the FLQ. We don't have the concept of co-equal branches of government, but the judiciary can declare acts of parliament to violate the charter of rights and freedoms. The Emergencies Act explicitly says it does not supercede any constitutional rights.
- bremac 5y ago
  The legislature in my home province is closed to the public due to threats: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/security-risk-closes-nova-scotia-legislature-to-visitors-1.6347222 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/security-risk-clo... Several MPs and MLAs have received suspicious packages: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/mike-kelloway-suspicious-package-1.6346944 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/mike-kelloway-sus... "Protesters" tried to break into a federal MP's constituency office: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/covid-19-protests-politicians-extremism-threats-1.6349254 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/covid-19-protests... And that's just Nova Scotia. This isn't as bad as the October Crisis, but it's still quite serious. It's not small potatoes.
  - earleybird 5y ago
    There was concern of over-reach when Pierre invoke the War Measures Act also. The War Measures Act included all of Canada, not just the geography the FLQ was operating in. I was fairly young at the time but I still have a recollection of the bombing, kidnapping and murder. I can't reconcile the current protest demands with say the FLQ manifesto[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLQ_Manifesto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLQ_Manifesto
bawolff 5y ago
Canada isn't britian. The constitution is supreme, and courts will enforce it.
ctrlp 5y ago
Trudeau is the spitting image of his biological father both in appearance and approach to government. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

hluska 5y ago

Here is a quote from Canada’s Deputy Prime Minister, Chrystia Freeland: “The government is issuing an order with immediate effect under the Emergencies Act, authorizing Canadian financial institutions to temporarily cease providing financial services where the institution suspects that an account is being used to further the illegal blockades and occupations,” she said. “This order covers both personal and corporate accounts.” —- Under Canadian law, the Liberal government has to put this before both the House of Commons and Senate within 7 days.

bregma 5y ago
Just to clarify, under Canadian law the government has to put the use of the Emergencies Act before the House and Senate withing 7 days. It doesn't matter what colour the government is. The law itself was passed by a Progressive Conservative government to whom it would have applied exactly the same way.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  But the orders are in affect now.
  - hluska 5y ago
    Yes, of course it is. I replied to someone who said they have no idea how Canadian law worked. Commons/Senate approval is part of the Emergency Act and the current government has to follow it.
- sofixa 5y ago
  > Progressive Conservative government Say what? Those two are literally polar opposites. I guess they can be progressive on the social scale and conservative on the economic one, but there's got to be a better name for that.
  - salamandersauce 5y ago
    So Canada used to have a party called the Conservative Party (they do now too again). They wanted a guy named John Bracken who was Premier of Manitoba under the Progressive party of Manitoba to be leader. He wouldn't agree until they put Progressive in their name. So they did and Conservative Party became the Progressive Conservative Party until they merged with the Reform Party and went back to being called the Conservative Party. Some provinces still have a PC party.

pkaye 5y ago

We already have civil forfeiture in the US. The police can just claim the money is linked to criminal activity and seize it.

mattnewton 5y ago
That's unfortunately true, however those cases are frequently reversed and returned by judges (though the burden is entirely on the asset owners to bring the case). We definitely need legislation to invert the process though, law enforcement should be going to a judge before they can seize the assets.