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Blocking bridges with trucks to protest public health members seems dystopian.

by WesternWind 5y ago

edmcnulty101 5y ago
Clearly not everyone agrees that , what some consider medical tyranny, is a good thing.
- WesternWind 5y ago
  Thank goodness I'm not trying to speak for everyone then, just for myself, because it doesn't seem like tyranny.
  - edmcnulty101 5y ago
    Do you believe forcing women to wear burkhas is tyrannical? The forcing of wearing masks is a tyrannical action, whether it's for a 'good cause' or not. Some people view the ends do not justify tyrannical means.
    - ric2b 5y ago
      Tyrannical means " Unjust or oppressive governmental power.", so the justification for the mandate is important, not just the fact that a mandate exists. A mandate with a good justification is authoritarian but not tyrannical.
encryptluks2 5y ago
- nwmcsween 5y ago
  - encryptluks2 5y ago
  - Zpalmtree 5y ago
    It's ok when we do it!!!
  - gruez 5y ago
    Translation: "If it's for a Just Cause, then anything goes. If it's for a Unjust Cause, then we should arrest you at the slightest infraction of the law and punish you to the fullest extent of the law".
    - jsjsbdkj 5y ago
      This is hilariously backwards. Black protestors in Ottawa are arrested all the time. These people have been paralyzing a massive part of downtown and violating the law for 3 weeks and they're finally now seeing some consequences. Also, yes, some protests are moral and some aren't. If there's a Nazi march shutting down main street I have no objections to shutting it down. It's not logically inconsistent to say that people shitting in the streets, having drunken discos and harassing people day and night aren't really "protesting" at this point.
      - gruez 5y ago
        >This is hilariously backwards. Black protestors in Ottawa are arrested all the time. I was making fun of the parent poster's normative theories, not describing how police in ottawa actually behave. >These people have been paralyzing a massive part of downtown and violating the law for 3 weeks and they're finally now seeing some consequences. I'm sure you could say the same for hong kong protesters. I'm going to go on a limb that flooding the entire island with millions of protesters is pretty "paralyzing", if not more. >Also, yes, some protests are moral and some aren't. If there's a Nazi march shutting down main street I have no objections to shutting it down. Sounds like you're agreeing with my previous comment? >It's not logically inconsistent to say that people shitting in the streets, having drunken discos and harassing people day and night aren't really "protesting" at this point. that sounds awfully like the CHAZ.
- dibujante 5y ago
  I recall the police responding to the protests in Portland and working hard to shut them down as a result. The Ottawa police have declined to take action.
  - refurb 5y ago
    Portland had rioting for over 90 consecutive nights with firebombing of federal buildings. https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/09/100-days-of-protests-in-portland.html https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/09/100-days-of-prot... If the police were responding in Portland they weren't trying very hard. With no firebombing in Ottawa, the response seems proportionate.

Blocking bridges with trucks to protest public health members seems dystopian.

edmcnulty101 5y ago

Clearly not everyone agrees that , what some consider medical tyranny, is a good thing.

WesternWind 5y ago
Thank goodness I'm not trying to speak for everyone then, just for myself, because it doesn't seem like tyranny.
- edmcnulty101 5y ago
  Do you believe forcing women to wear burkhas is tyrannical? The forcing of wearing masks is a tyrannical action, whether it's for a 'good cause' or not. Some people view the ends do not justify tyrannical means.
  - ric2b 5y ago
    Tyrannical means " Unjust or oppressive governmental power.", so the justification for the mandate is important, not just the fact that a mandate exists. A mandate with a good justification is authoritarian but not tyrannical.

encryptluks2 5y ago

nwmcsween 5y ago
- encryptluks2 5y ago
- Zpalmtree 5y ago
  It's ok when we do it!!!
- gruez 5y ago
  Translation: "If it's for a Just Cause, then anything goes. If it's for a Unjust Cause, then we should arrest you at the slightest infraction of the law and punish you to the fullest extent of the law".
  - jsjsbdkj 5y ago
    This is hilariously backwards. Black protestors in Ottawa are arrested all the time. These people have been paralyzing a massive part of downtown and violating the law for 3 weeks and they're finally now seeing some consequences. Also, yes, some protests are moral and some aren't. If there's a Nazi march shutting down main street I have no objections to shutting it down. It's not logically inconsistent to say that people shitting in the streets, having drunken discos and harassing people day and night aren't really "protesting" at this point.
    - gruez 5y ago
      >This is hilariously backwards. Black protestors in Ottawa are arrested all the time. I was making fun of the parent poster's normative theories, not describing how police in ottawa actually behave. >These people have been paralyzing a massive part of downtown and violating the law for 3 weeks and they're finally now seeing some consequences. I'm sure you could say the same for hong kong protesters. I'm going to go on a limb that flooding the entire island with millions of protesters is pretty "paralyzing", if not more. >Also, yes, some protests are moral and some aren't. If there's a Nazi march shutting down main street I have no objections to shutting it down. Sounds like you're agreeing with my previous comment? >It's not logically inconsistent to say that people shitting in the streets, having drunken discos and harassing people day and night aren't really "protesting" at this point. that sounds awfully like the CHAZ.
dibujante 5y ago
I recall the police responding to the protests in Portland and working hard to shut them down as a result. The Ottawa police have declined to take action.
- refurb 5y ago
  Portland had rioting for over 90 consecutive nights with firebombing of federal buildings. https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/09/100-days-of-protests-in-portland.html https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/09/100-days-of-prot... If the police were responding in Portland they weren't trying very hard. With no firebombing in Ottawa, the response seems proportionate.