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The people who have their lives taken away have little left to live for. The increases the violence and grows a movement you want to stop. If Trudeau opened d
by ipaddr 5y ago
The people who have their lives taken away have little left to live for. The increases the violence and grows a movement you want to stop.
If Trudeau opened debate weeks ago I wonder where we would be today.
- tonfreed 5y agoHe was never going to do that. The media immediately started on the "truckers are Nazis" line and took that option off the table.
- malermeister 5y ago
- throwaway894345 5y agoIt’s not like Trudeau is exactly a paragon of egalitarianism or racial sensitivity.
- rasz 5y ago
- canadian-on-hn 5y agoIf you haven't heard the term before, this kind of response is called called "whataboutism": > Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in "what about…?") is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy, which attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving the argument. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
- rasz 5y agoNo its not. This is pointing out hypocrisy.
- abstract_put 5y ago> No its not. This is pointing out hypocrisy I think it's worth reading the page - the definition is: > Whataboutism ... is a ... logical fallacy, which attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving the argument You've charged hypocrisy, I don't see a direct refutation of the argument. Given that, it seems like this situation exactly fits the definition of 'whataboutism'?
- jsjsbdkj 5y agoIf you want to talk about people whose lives have been taken away - there are far more Ottawa residents in the streets defying the police than there are truckers. This occupation has galvanized a small segment of the population, but there's a much larger group that was not politically active before and now they hate anti-vaxxers. There was nothing to debate - the convoy does not have a cohesive message. Some of them are sovereign citizens. Some of them want the government to be dissolved. Some of them want some weird QAnon stuff. The only thing that unites them is shitting in the streets and driving around waving flags and honking.
- pkd 5y agoYou wish that Trudeau opened debate with people who demanded that his government be deposed and replaced by the protest organisers?
- soupbowl 5y agoThe organizers never suggested that.
- bawolff 5y agoThey published documents saying that.
- rasz 5y agoThats precisely how communism fell in Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Round_Table_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Round_Table_Agreement
- pkd 5y agoIndeed, but we are not talking about bringing down an undemocratic government here. There are democratic ways to replace a government in a democracy.
- downrightmike 5y agoDon't be so pedantic, people ARE literally dying because assholes keep spreading misinforamtion and the virus around.