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> Two-thirds of Canadians support military force to end Ottawa protests: poll https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/02/12/two-thirds-of-canadians-support-military-f

> Two-thirds of Canadians support military force to end Ottawa protests: poll https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/02/12/two-thirds-of-canadians-support-military-force-to-end-ottawa-protests-poll/ https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/02/12/two-thirds-of-canadia... The current approach seems to be a lot more mild than what the public would accept.

908B64B197 5y ago
- dang 5y ago
  Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar hell. This internet track leads nowhere interesting. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - jabthedang 5y ago
edmcnulty101 5y ago
A few years ago, there was an online poll to name a new scientific research boat. The boat ended up being named 'boaty mcboatface' I don't know how much I take stock in online polls especially made by partisan sources. Huffington post did an online poll about who would win the 2016 presidential election. Hillary Clinton received around 99% of the votes.
- makoz 5y ago
  Do you have an issue with the polling methodology they used in the survey? Source on it being an online poll?
- geenew 5y ago
  Who said anything about an online poll? “ The poll was conducted Feb. 9 and 10, 2022 among a random selection of 1,506 Canadian adults who are Maru Voice Canada panelists and is accurate within +/- 2.5 per cent, 19 times out of 20.” It’s right there in the linked article.
throwaway894345 5y ago
Two thirds doesn't seem like a particularly significant majority for such an authoritarian measure, and moreover the masses will always trade principle and liberty for a mere moment of catharsis--that's the whole reason we elect representative politicians: to be the prevailing cool heads who look out for our rights and liberties and not just the emotion of the moment.
- malermeister 5y ago
  A small minority has decided to infringe on everyone's right to liberty by occupying their city with heavy machinery. The pro-liberty move is to get rid of the occupiers.
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    Ah yes, the age-old liberal tradition of using the military to suppress peaceful protest.
    - malermeister 5y ago
      It's not peaceful. https://twitter.com/travisdhanraj/status/1493281411364700161 https://twitter.com/travisdhanraj/status/1493281411364700161
      - throwaway894345 5y ago
        Admittedly that group of 11 people weren’t protesting peacefully, but one group acting in concert doesn’t indict the wider movement. On the scope of major protests in the last several decades in western democracies, this one definitely is about as close to the “peaceful” extreme as any have been. As a society, we should also strive for fairness in our rhetoric. It betrays our credibility to describe a riot which leaves a city in ashes as “mostly peaceful protest” simply because we agree with the cause and then to characterize these protests as “violent” because we don’t agree with them.
        5y ago
chrisdhoover 5y ago
Polling whether rights should be suspended is dangerous. I know nothing of Canadian law, but in the US if 2/3 polled said a peaceful protest should be broken up by the military. The response should condemnation and reassertion of our unalienable rights.
- jsjsbdkj 5y ago
  This is not a peaceful protest. There have been multiple documented assaults on the street and of people in the service industry. There were several attempts to burn down residential buildings full of people. The protestors have violated injunctions against making noises at volumes that are harmful to people's hearing, and depriving people of sleep.
  - rafale 5y ago
    I have seen you here for a while. I don't ever remember seeing you call out antifa or blm rioters when they set fire to buildings.
    - data-ottawa 5y ago
      I’ve been a lurker for many years, but felt I needed to make an account to counter you here. What about X or Y is not a valid response to this argument. You can have no public opinion on antifa or BLM in another country to have the opinion that activity in your own community is not okay. We can compare this to BLM or antifa, but we can also compare BLM or antifa to the Arab spring or French revolution to say that they’re relatively peaceful too. The fact is this entire thing has been horribly covered by the media. There are a lot of groups and factions involved in the protest. The main leadership group is organized (and fundraised) by Canada Unity, and their original demands were to overthrow the democratically elected government to install themselves as government and rule through the senate and governer general. You can look that up in their original MOU on the way back machine. The means of the protest was to park heavy equipment and harass the citizens of downtown Ottawa (via keeping them awake 24/7 with train horns, arguably a form of warfare) until the federal government capitulated to demands. This is essentially the “I’m not touching you, but my hand is directly in front of your face” form of harassment. Later that evolved into blocking border crossings, which is explicitly illegal and explicitly under the criminal code listed as not an acceptable form of protest. The complications of this issue are confounded by the fact that more than half the donated funds are foreign funds to a protest that was deemed an illegal action.
throwaway64643 5y ago
bawolff 5y ago
The emergency act is not the same as calling the military.
n_plus_1 5y ago
I recommend reading the bottom of the article and then googling the Maru Voice Canada the people who ran the poll. They are an organization who's members they poll. A rather small one at that with a probably very high self selection bias. Calling this a survey of Canadians is blatantly false.
nprz 5y ago
70 million Germans can't be wrong.

908B64B197 5y ago

dang 5y ago
Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar hell. This internet track leads nowhere interesting. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- jabthedang 5y ago

edmcnulty101 5y ago

A few years ago, there was an online poll to name a new scientific research boat. The boat ended up being named 'boaty mcboatface' I don't know how much I take stock in online polls especially made by partisan sources. Huffington post did an online poll about who would win the 2016 presidential election. Hillary Clinton received around 99% of the votes.

makoz 5y ago
Do you have an issue with the polling methodology they used in the survey? Source on it being an online poll?
geenew 5y ago
Who said anything about an online poll? “ The poll was conducted Feb. 9 and 10, 2022 among a random selection of 1,506 Canadian adults who are Maru Voice Canada panelists and is accurate within +/- 2.5 per cent, 19 times out of 20.” It’s right there in the linked article.

throwaway894345 5y ago

Two thirds doesn't seem like a particularly significant majority for such an authoritarian measure, and moreover the masses will always trade principle and liberty for a mere moment of catharsis--that's the whole reason we elect representative politicians: to be the prevailing cool heads who look out for our rights and liberties and not just the emotion of the moment.

malermeister 5y ago
A small minority has decided to infringe on everyone's right to liberty by occupying their city with heavy machinery. The pro-liberty move is to get rid of the occupiers.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  Ah yes, the age-old liberal tradition of using the military to suppress peaceful protest.
  - malermeister 5y ago
    It's not peaceful. https://twitter.com/travisdhanraj/status/1493281411364700161 https://twitter.com/travisdhanraj/status/1493281411364700161
    - throwaway894345 5y ago
      Admittedly that group of 11 people weren’t protesting peacefully, but one group acting in concert doesn’t indict the wider movement. On the scope of major protests in the last several decades in western democracies, this one definitely is about as close to the “peaceful” extreme as any have been. As a society, we should also strive for fairness in our rhetoric. It betrays our credibility to describe a riot which leaves a city in ashes as “mostly peaceful protest” simply because we agree with the cause and then to characterize these protests as “violent” because we don’t agree with them.
      - 5y ago

chrisdhoover 5y ago

Polling whether rights should be suspended is dangerous. I know nothing of Canadian law, but in the US if 2/3 polled said a peaceful protest should be broken up by the military. The response should condemnation and reassertion of our unalienable rights.

jsjsbdkj 5y ago
This is not a peaceful protest. There have been multiple documented assaults on the street and of people in the service industry. There were several attempts to burn down residential buildings full of people. The protestors have violated injunctions against making noises at volumes that are harmful to people's hearing, and depriving people of sleep.
- rafale 5y ago
  I have seen you here for a while. I don't ever remember seeing you call out antifa or blm rioters when they set fire to buildings.
  - data-ottawa 5y ago
    I’ve been a lurker for many years, but felt I needed to make an account to counter you here. What about X or Y is not a valid response to this argument. You can have no public opinion on antifa or BLM in another country to have the opinion that activity in your own community is not okay. We can compare this to BLM or antifa, but we can also compare BLM or antifa to the Arab spring or French revolution to say that they’re relatively peaceful too. The fact is this entire thing has been horribly covered by the media. There are a lot of groups and factions involved in the protest. The main leadership group is organized (and fundraised) by Canada Unity, and their original demands were to overthrow the democratically elected government to install themselves as government and rule through the senate and governer general. You can look that up in their original MOU on the way back machine. The means of the protest was to park heavy equipment and harass the citizens of downtown Ottawa (via keeping them awake 24/7 with train horns, arguably a form of warfare) until the federal government capitulated to demands. This is essentially the “I’m not touching you, but my hand is directly in front of your face” form of harassment. Later that evolved into blocking border crossings, which is explicitly illegal and explicitly under the criminal code listed as not an acceptable form of protest. The complications of this issue are confounded by the fact that more than half the donated funds are foreign funds to a protest that was deemed an illegal action.

throwaway64643 5y ago

bawolff 5y ago

The emergency act is not the same as calling the military.

n_plus_1 5y ago

I recommend reading the bottom of the article and then googling the Maru Voice Canada the people who ran the poll. They are an organization who's members they poll. A rather small one at that with a probably very high self selection bias. Calling this a survey of Canadians is blatantly false.

nprz 5y ago

70 million Germans can't be wrong.