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I live in Ottawa and I assure you that this protest is not peaceful. I've had friends physically assaulted, spit on, and yelled at just for wearing a mask into

by Jackim 5y ago

I live in Ottawa and I assure you that this protest is not peaceful. I've had friends physically assaulted, spit on, and yelled at just for wearing a mask into a business. Not to mention the constant honking that was reaching levels above 100db inside people's homes. Homeless shelters were raided by protestors, businesses have been forced to close due to threats, and people are afraid to leave their homes.

busymom0 5y ago
I and my friends have been there for 3 weekends and haven't seen any of that. > Homeless shelters were raided by protestors, businesses have been forced to close due to threats, and people are afraid to leave their homes. This is hilariously inaccurate. Everyone's bringing food TO the truckers and there's so much food there that truckers are refusing to take more. Amazingly, we live in 2022 where everyone has a phone camera and Ottawa, the capital, has security cameras everywhere and yet none of this ever gets captured on camera and nobody seems to capture the face of the people supposedly doing such things. Here's one actual violence which did get captured on video: https://twitter.com/TheMarieOakes/status/1493053006237122562 https://twitter.com/TheMarieOakes/status/1493053006237122562 And there's another video of someone with a mask on who drove his jeep over 3 protestors in Manitoba. There are plenty of livestreams on YouTube (Viva Frei channel for example) which have been capturing everything. Honking might be the only thing which could constitute as annoying but that hasn't happened for over a week. Here's reporting by a government employee who lives right above the protest: https://maybury.ca/the-reformed-physicist/2022/02/03/a-night-with-the-untouchables/ https://maybury.ca/the-reformed-physicist/2022/02/03/a-night...
- Jackim 5y ago
  I'm happy that you haven't experienced any of that. None of what I said is untrue. I'm glad there has been lots of support from this protest to attempt to make up for some of the damage. It is still an illegal occupation that is costing my city millions every day, thousands of people are out of work at the Rideau Centre alone, libraries have been shut down, school children are being intimidated... I'm happy you're having fun.
  - corey_moncure 5y ago
    I see you are concerned with the protest having the effects of > Costing millions > Putting people out of work > Shutting down civic functions > intimidating school children I don't know anything about Canadian government's response to the virus, but would it be fair to characterize the effects of the response as any or all of the above? Or if not affecting you directly, then those you may personally know or simply your fellow countrymen?
    - mgbmtl 5y ago
      Canadian here. To my knowledge the federal government did not intimidate children, and people who were forced to stop working were compensated. People do feel irritation when we have done so much collectively, only for a small minority to pee in the pool. It's a war against the health system. It's on the verge of collapsing in many provinces because of Covid, and folks like Maxime Bernier want it privatized. Ideological and manipulative greed.
      - busymom0 5y ago
        > It's a war against the health system. It's on the verge of collapsing in many provinces because of Covid This is extremely disingenuous and ill-informed. I would recommend people do a google search for "Ontario hospital overcrowd" and set the date filter to be before 2020 (before COVID). You will find articles for every single year in past decade where hospitals were overcrowded because of flu. Ontario ranks the 3rd last in the world in terms of hospital beds per 1000 (only mexico and chile are behind us) and absolute last within Canada. We used to have almost double the hospital beds per 1000 back in 1990s but since then our population has exploded and also gotten older but we haven't done much to increase the beds until last year when we added a few beds but still nowhere near to what it is supposed to be and what it used to be in 1990s. A well functioning health care system is required to operate at 85% maximum but Ontario has been running at over 100% in most hospitals majority of the time BEFORE covid. Ontario has the fewest hospital beds per capita in the country at 1.4 per 1,000 people. That compares to the national average of 2.0. In 1990, Ontario had around 50000 hospital beds. Now, we only have around 34000 despite our population exploding and also getting older. Many hospitals in Ontario operated at above 100% capacity in 2019. According to the Ontario Hospital Association, Ontario’s hospitals have faced low or nearly flat funding for years — with only an increase of 5.4% from 2012-19, compared to an average of 12.9% among other provinces while population increased and hospitals absorbed inflationary costs. Ontario’s Ministry of Health’s own numbers show the province has the lowest per capita health spending in Canada. The Registered Nurses Association of Ontario notes this also held true in 2018, and that the province had the lowest registered nurses per capita and the second-lowest hospital spending per capita rate in the country, after Quebec. CBC News in January 2020 (before COVID) found 32 of Ontario’s hospitals were filled beyond 100% occupancy nearly every day in the first half of 2019 — including Ontario’s 10 biggest hospitals. A study of 169 of Ontario’s acute care hospital sites during the same period found: - 83 hospitals were beyond 100% capacity for more than 30 days. - 39 hospitals hit 120% capacity or higher for at least one day. - 40 hospitals averaged 100% capacity or higher. https://pressprogress.ca/ontario-announces-surge-funding-to-boost-hospital-capacity-but-ontario-hospitals-are-already-stretched-thin/ https://pressprogress.ca/ontario-announces-surge-funding-to-... Our health care systems in Canada have been collapsing every single year BEFORE covid: > Before COVID, January 22, 2020: Brampton council declares health-care emergency amid hospital overcrowding, wait times https://globalnews.ca/news/6447872/brampton-health-care-emergency/ https://globalnews.ca/news/6447872/brampton-health-care-emer... 1 month prior to COVID: > Some of Ontario's biggest hospitals are filled beyond capacity nearly every day, new data reveals https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-hospital-hallway-medicine-healthcare-beyond-capacity-1.5420434 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-hospital-hall... > Dozens of hospitals across Ontario filling beyond capacity most days, CBC investigation finds https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-ontario-hallway-medicine-hospital-overcrowding-1.5440470 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-ontario-hal... > Hallway medicine 'new norm' at Guelph General Hospital, CEO says. Numbers show capacity problems in vast majority of first half of 2019 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/hallway-medicine-unfortunate-reality-for-guelph-general-hospital-1.5435015 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/hallway-me... > 2016: Ontario’s major hospitals operating over capacity, documents reveal https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontarios-major-hospitals-operating-over-capacity-documents-reveal/article30054790/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontarios-major... > 2019: Sask. Association of Nurses says patient died due to overcrowding in emergency room https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatoon-patient-overcrowding-death-1.5351811 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatoon-patient-o... > Canada ranks near the bottom of OECD countries when it comes to hospital beds per capita. For context, we had 90% of hospitals beds in use in Canada before the pandemic even started. Why are we not having a national conversation on the inadequacies of our healthcare capacity? https://twitter.com/patrickbrownont/status/1478366245099646977 https://twitter.com/patrickbrownont/status/14783662450996469... > Many of the posts are demanding Premier Doug Ford's government repeal Bill 124, 2019 legislation that capped annual salary increases for many public sector employees, including nurses, at an average of one per cent annually for three years. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-health-care-workers-warn-of-brutal-nurse-shortage-as-hospitals-brace-for-4th-wave-1.6150255 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-health-care-w... ALC stands for Alternate Level of Care - patient is someone who is occupying an acute care hospital bed but not acutely ill or does not require the intensity of resources or services provided in a hospital setting. In Ontario, there are 5375 ALC open cases. 42.2% (2268) of which are waiting for LTC. Median wait time to get into an LTC from a hospital is 114 days. This is an insanely high number of people tying up hospital resources through no fault of theirs but because of incompetence of LTC. Instead of fixing this, they want to falsely blame the unvaccinated. > In Ontario, as of Jan. 17, "42% of those awaiting transfer to long term care facilities were unable to find a placement. This amounts to about 2,200 people, and the median wait for an LTC placement for someone in the hospital is a staggering 114 days." https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rupa-subramanya-ontario-unsurprisingly-too-timid-to-move-to-the-pandemic-endgame https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rupa-subramanya-ontario-uns... As if this isn't enough, Ontario and Quebec fired unvaccinated health care workers (many of whom had natural immunity from infection) and are now allowing COVID+ nurses to work if they are vaccinated. How can we claim to provide equitable healthcare when we are denying fundamental freedoms based on discriminatory practices? There is no pride in a health care system, however “free” it might be, if its existence is fundamentally incompatible with the human spirit.
- jsjsbdkj 5y ago
  The protestors on the first weekend going to the Shepherds of Good Hope homeless shelter and taking food (and being violent with staff) was extremely well documented. https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-homeless-shelter-receives-750-000-in-donations-after-harassment-from-convoy-protesters-1.5776178 https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-homeless-shelter-receives-7... You mean surveillance footage like this, of a protestor trying to lock the doors to an apartmnent building and start a fire? https://globalnews.ca/news/8600592/trucker-convoy-police-investigating-arson-apartment/ https://globalnews.ca/news/8600592/trucker-convoy-police-inv... The cops have barely done anything and they've acknowledged there is violence and lawlessness: https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-police-report-a-night-of-disruptive-and-unlawful-behaviour-during-freedom-convoy-protest-1.5770083 https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-police-report-a-night-of-di... Lots more videos here: https://www.instagram.com/ottawaconvoyreport/ https://www.instagram.com/ottawaconvoyreport/ I literally heard honking today. The only reason there is less honking is because there is a legal injuction and truckers who honk can now be sued civilly. But they still persist.
  - tick_tock_tick 5y ago
    This seems incredible peaceful for it's scale then? Pretty much every major protest I've seen over this COVID period had significant looting, vandalism, and actually setting fire to stuff. This seems just well insignificant compared to the scale of the protest. I don't feel like that's the point you're trying to make but with such minimal activities you can link too and even less with confirmed links it really feels like you're stretching.
  - busymom0 5y ago
    > You mean surveillance footage like this, of a protestor trying to lock the doors to an apartmnent building and start a fire? You do know that they were NOT the protestors right? And even the Ottawa Deputy Police Chief has debunked it. The supposed "arsonist" was someone who was wearing face masks, had purple hair was was in his early 20s as max. You really think that's a trucker protester? > Ottawa Deputy Police Chief on the alleged arson in Ottawa: “We don’t have any direct linkage between the occupation—the demonstrators—and that act.” https://twitter.com/jonkay/status/1491152362253451265 https://twitter.com/jonkay/status/1491152362253451265 Like I said, somehow the "homeless shelter" has zero videos of anything happening. We are living in 2022, not 1950s. Everyone has a video camera phone now a days and somehow not a single person captured such thing? Your instagram link has not a single video of violence. You really are stretching your narrative. Honking injunction was ONLY for continuous honking. Despite that, when I was there on Saturday after 9pm, there was no honking. Even if there were, you really think honking is violence?
Mountain_Skies 5y ago
The problem for your narrative is that there are dozens of livestreamers showing the exact opposite of what you claim. Unless YouTube shuts them down, you cannot control the narrative no matter what story you spin. It's a new age, stop playing cards from an old one if you want to be believed.
- Jackim 5y ago
  I understand that many, many people are having fun, being kind, and are generally enjoying the party atmosphere. That does not discount the fact that people are being intimidated, put out of work, and assaulted every day since this has begun.
  - sojournerc 5y ago
    Do you forget that many of these truckers and their many supporters have also been put out of work by COVID policies? The hypocrisy there is palpable. If you're concerned about getting Canadians back to work, should you not also be concerned with the economic damage done by mandates and lockdowns with no end in sight?
    - tedajax 5y ago
    - micromacrofoot 5y ago
      covid policies aka public health policies
      - sojournerc 5y ago
        What's your point? Just because they're health policies doesn't mean they're infallible. They have real impacts on real people.
        micromacrofoot 5y ago
synthos 5y ago
Coffee shop with the window smashed (speculated it was because of the visible pride flag) These trucks are extremely difficult to remove. And while you can still remove them if the air brakes are on it takes longer. Not only that, most rig towing companies won't do anything for fear of reprisal.
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shrubble 5y ago
Making such claims requires some form of evidence. Can you point to some? Cameras and cell phones are all over Ottawa and the cell network has been up and working all along. Surely something has been uploaded to YouTube?
moralestapia 5y ago
Sorry to contradict you, but your claims are the complete opposite of what I've experienced first-hand.
- Jackim 5y ago
  Do you live in Ottawa?
pumaontheprowl 5y ago
Ironic that you're complaining about violence in the context of a protest against forcibly jabbing people with a vaccine they don't want. The government's policy here is violence in itself. If you truly were concerned about violence against innocent people, you'd be on the side of the protesters, not spreading unsourced lies in effort to have them silenced.
- Ensorceled 5y ago
  No one is forcibly jabbing anyone in Canada. There is no violence being done.
  - alea_iacta_est 5y ago
    Not being able to earn a living is violence.
    - philistine 5y ago
      That's communism.
      - alea_iacta_est 5y ago
        Indeed, when the government can take away your ability to earn a living, it is communism.
        philistine 5y ago
        No no no, when you determine that people must be allowed to make a living, that's what is communism. Unvaccinated people are not entitled to a job without consequence.
    - canadian-on-hn 5y ago
      If someone doesn't want to get vaccinated, they're very welcome to go work in a job that doesn't require it; I know people that are happily earning a living while unvaccinated. There is no right to be able to work exactly the job you want on your own terms.

by Jackim 5y ago

busymom0 5y ago

I and my friends have been there for 3 weekends and haven't seen any of that. > Homeless shelters were raided by protestors, businesses have been forced to close due to threats, and people are afraid to leave their homes. This is hilariously inaccurate. Everyone's bringing food TO the truckers and there's so much food there that truckers are refusing to take more. Amazingly, we live in 2022 where everyone has a phone camera and Ottawa, the capital, has security cameras everywhere and yet none of this ever gets captured on camera and nobody seems to capture the face of the people supposedly doing such things. Here's one actual violence which did get captured on video: https://twitter.com/TheMarieOakes/status/1493053006237122562 https://twitter.com/TheMarieOakes/status/1493053006237122562 And there's another video of someone with a mask on who drove his jeep over 3 protestors in Manitoba. There are plenty of livestreams on YouTube (Viva Frei channel for example) which have been capturing everything. Honking might be the only thing which could constitute as annoying but that hasn't happened for over a week. Here's reporting by a government employee who lives right above the protest: https://maybury.ca/the-reformed-physicist/2022/02/03/a-night-with-the-untouchables/ https://maybury.ca/the-reformed-physicist/2022/02/03/a-night...

Jackim 5y ago
I'm happy that you haven't experienced any of that. None of what I said is untrue. I'm glad there has been lots of support from this protest to attempt to make up for some of the damage. It is still an illegal occupation that is costing my city millions every day, thousands of people are out of work at the Rideau Centre alone, libraries have been shut down, school children are being intimidated... I'm happy you're having fun.
- corey_moncure 5y ago
  I see you are concerned with the protest having the effects of > Costing millions > Putting people out of work > Shutting down civic functions > intimidating school children I don't know anything about Canadian government's response to the virus, but would it be fair to characterize the effects of the response as any or all of the above? Or if not affecting you directly, then those you may personally know or simply your fellow countrymen?
  - mgbmtl 5y ago
    Canadian here. To my knowledge the federal government did not intimidate children, and people who were forced to stop working were compensated. People do feel irritation when we have done so much collectively, only for a small minority to pee in the pool. It's a war against the health system. It's on the verge of collapsing in many provinces because of Covid, and folks like Maxime Bernier want it privatized. Ideological and manipulative greed.
    - busymom0 5y ago
      > It's a war against the health system. It's on the verge of collapsing in many provinces because of Covid This is extremely disingenuous and ill-informed. I would recommend people do a google search for "Ontario hospital overcrowd" and set the date filter to be before 2020 (before COVID). You will find articles for every single year in past decade where hospitals were overcrowded because of flu. Ontario ranks the 3rd last in the world in terms of hospital beds per 1000 (only mexico and chile are behind us) and absolute last within Canada. We used to have almost double the hospital beds per 1000 back in 1990s but since then our population has exploded and also gotten older but we haven't done much to increase the beds until last year when we added a few beds but still nowhere near to what it is supposed to be and what it used to be in 1990s. A well functioning health care system is required to operate at 85% maximum but Ontario has been running at over 100% in most hospitals majority of the time BEFORE covid. Ontario has the fewest hospital beds per capita in the country at 1.4 per 1,000 people. That compares to the national average of 2.0. In 1990, Ontario had around 50000 hospital beds. Now, we only have around 34000 despite our population exploding and also getting older. Many hospitals in Ontario operated at above 100% capacity in 2019. According to the Ontario Hospital Association, Ontario’s hospitals have faced low or nearly flat funding for years — with only an increase of 5.4% from 2012-19, compared to an average of 12.9% among other provinces while population increased and hospitals absorbed inflationary costs. Ontario’s Ministry of Health’s own numbers show the province has the lowest per capita health spending in Canada. The Registered Nurses Association of Ontario notes this also held true in 2018, and that the province had the lowest registered nurses per capita and the second-lowest hospital spending per capita rate in the country, after Quebec. CBC News in January 2020 (before COVID) found 32 of Ontario’s hospitals were filled beyond 100% occupancy nearly every day in the first half of 2019 — including Ontario’s 10 biggest hospitals. A study of 169 of Ontario’s acute care hospital sites during the same period found: - 83 hospitals were beyond 100% capacity for more than 30 days. - 39 hospitals hit 120% capacity or higher for at least one day. - 40 hospitals averaged 100% capacity or higher. https://pressprogress.ca/ontario-announces-surge-funding-to-boost-hospital-capacity-but-ontario-hospitals-are-already-stretched-thin/ https://pressprogress.ca/ontario-announces-surge-funding-to-... Our health care systems in Canada have been collapsing every single year BEFORE covid: > Before COVID, January 22, 2020: Brampton council declares health-care emergency amid hospital overcrowding, wait times https://globalnews.ca/news/6447872/brampton-health-care-emergency/ https://globalnews.ca/news/6447872/brampton-health-care-emer... 1 month prior to COVID: > Some of Ontario's biggest hospitals are filled beyond capacity nearly every day, new data reveals https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-hospital-hallway-medicine-healthcare-beyond-capacity-1.5420434 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-hospital-hall... > Dozens of hospitals across Ontario filling beyond capacity most days, CBC investigation finds https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-ontario-hallway-medicine-hospital-overcrowding-1.5440470 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-ontario-hal... > Hallway medicine 'new norm' at Guelph General Hospital, CEO says. Numbers show capacity problems in vast majority of first half of 2019 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/hallway-medicine-unfortunate-reality-for-guelph-general-hospital-1.5435015 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/hallway-me... > 2016: Ontario’s major hospitals operating over capacity, documents reveal https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontarios-major-hospitals-operating-over-capacity-documents-reveal/article30054790/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontarios-major... > 2019: Sask. Association of Nurses says patient died due to overcrowding in emergency room https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatoon-patient-overcrowding-death-1.5351811 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/saskatoon-patient-o... > Canada ranks near the bottom of OECD countries when it comes to hospital beds per capita. For context, we had 90% of hospitals beds in use in Canada before the pandemic even started. Why are we not having a national conversation on the inadequacies of our healthcare capacity? https://twitter.com/patrickbrownont/status/1478366245099646977 https://twitter.com/patrickbrownont/status/14783662450996469... > Many of the posts are demanding Premier Doug Ford's government repeal Bill 124, 2019 legislation that capped annual salary increases for many public sector employees, including nurses, at an average of one per cent annually for three years. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-health-care-workers-warn-of-brutal-nurse-shortage-as-hospitals-brace-for-4th-wave-1.6150255 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-health-care-w... ALC stands for Alternate Level of Care - patient is someone who is occupying an acute care hospital bed but not acutely ill or does not require the intensity of resources or services provided in a hospital setting. In Ontario, there are 5375 ALC open cases. 42.2% (2268) of which are waiting for LTC. Median wait time to get into an LTC from a hospital is 114 days. This is an insanely high number of people tying up hospital resources through no fault of theirs but because of incompetence of LTC. Instead of fixing this, they want to falsely blame the unvaccinated. > In Ontario, as of Jan. 17, "42% of those awaiting transfer to long term care facilities were unable to find a placement. This amounts to about 2,200 people, and the median wait for an LTC placement for someone in the hospital is a staggering 114 days." https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rupa-subramanya-ontario-unsurprisingly-too-timid-to-move-to-the-pandemic-endgame https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rupa-subramanya-ontario-uns... As if this isn't enough, Ontario and Quebec fired unvaccinated health care workers (many of whom had natural immunity from infection) and are now allowing COVID+ nurses to work if they are vaccinated. How can we claim to provide equitable healthcare when we are denying fundamental freedoms based on discriminatory practices? There is no pride in a health care system, however “free” it might be, if its existence is fundamentally incompatible with the human spirit.
jsjsbdkj 5y ago
The protestors on the first weekend going to the Shepherds of Good Hope homeless shelter and taking food (and being violent with staff) was extremely well documented. https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-homeless-shelter-receives-750-000-in-donations-after-harassment-from-convoy-protesters-1.5776178 https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-homeless-shelter-receives-7... You mean surveillance footage like this, of a protestor trying to lock the doors to an apartmnent building and start a fire? https://globalnews.ca/news/8600592/trucker-convoy-police-investigating-arson-apartment/ https://globalnews.ca/news/8600592/trucker-convoy-police-inv... The cops have barely done anything and they've acknowledged there is violence and lawlessness: https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-police-report-a-night-of-disruptive-and-unlawful-behaviour-during-freedom-convoy-protest-1.5770083 https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/ottawa-police-report-a-night-of-di... Lots more videos here: https://www.instagram.com/ottawaconvoyreport/ https://www.instagram.com/ottawaconvoyreport/ I literally heard honking today. The only reason there is less honking is because there is a legal injuction and truckers who honk can now be sued civilly. But they still persist.
- tick_tock_tick 5y ago
  This seems incredible peaceful for it's scale then? Pretty much every major protest I've seen over this COVID period had significant looting, vandalism, and actually setting fire to stuff. This seems just well insignificant compared to the scale of the protest. I don't feel like that's the point you're trying to make but with such minimal activities you can link too and even less with confirmed links it really feels like you're stretching.
- busymom0 5y ago
  > You mean surveillance footage like this, of a protestor trying to lock the doors to an apartmnent building and start a fire? You do know that they were NOT the protestors right? And even the Ottawa Deputy Police Chief has debunked it. The supposed "arsonist" was someone who was wearing face masks, had purple hair was was in his early 20s as max. You really think that's a trucker protester? > Ottawa Deputy Police Chief on the alleged arson in Ottawa: “We don’t have any direct linkage between the occupation—the demonstrators—and that act.” https://twitter.com/jonkay/status/1491152362253451265 https://twitter.com/jonkay/status/1491152362253451265 Like I said, somehow the "homeless shelter" has zero videos of anything happening. We are living in 2022, not 1950s. Everyone has a video camera phone now a days and somehow not a single person captured such thing? Your instagram link has not a single video of violence. You really are stretching your narrative. Honking injunction was ONLY for continuous honking. Despite that, when I was there on Saturday after 9pm, there was no honking. Even if there were, you really think honking is violence?

Mountain_Skies 5y ago

The problem for your narrative is that there are dozens of livestreamers showing the exact opposite of what you claim. Unless YouTube shuts them down, you cannot control the narrative no matter what story you spin. It's a new age, stop playing cards from an old one if you want to be believed.

Jackim 5y ago
I understand that many, many people are having fun, being kind, and are generally enjoying the party atmosphere. That does not discount the fact that people are being intimidated, put out of work, and assaulted every day since this has begun.
- sojournerc 5y ago
  Do you forget that many of these truckers and their many supporters have also been put out of work by COVID policies? The hypocrisy there is palpable. If you're concerned about getting Canadians back to work, should you not also be concerned with the economic damage done by mandates and lockdowns with no end in sight?
  - tedajax 5y ago
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    covid policies aka public health policies
    - sojournerc 5y ago
      What's your point? Just because they're health policies doesn't mean they're infallible. They have real impacts on real people.
      - micromacrofoot 5y ago

synthos 5y ago

Coffee shop with the window smashed (speculated it was because of the visible pride flag) These trucks are extremely difficult to remove. And while you can still remove them if the air brakes are on it takes longer. Not only that, most rig towing companies won't do anything for fear of reprisal.

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shrubble 5y ago

Making such claims requires some form of evidence. Can you point to some? Cameras and cell phones are all over Ottawa and the cell network has been up and working all along. Surely something has been uploaded to YouTube?

moralestapia 5y ago

Sorry to contradict you, but your claims are the complete opposite of what I've experienced first-hand.

Jackim 5y ago
Do you live in Ottawa?

pumaontheprowl 5y ago

Ironic that you're complaining about violence in the context of a protest against forcibly jabbing people with a vaccine they don't want. The government's policy here is violence in itself. If you truly were concerned about violence against innocent people, you'd be on the side of the protesters, not spreading unsourced lies in effort to have them silenced.

Ensorceled 5y ago
No one is forcibly jabbing anyone in Canada. There is no violence being done.
- alea_iacta_est 5y ago
  Not being able to earn a living is violence.
  - philistine 5y ago
    That's communism.
    - alea_iacta_est 5y ago
      Indeed, when the government can take away your ability to earn a living, it is communism.
      - philistine 5y ago
        No no no, when you determine that people must be allowed to make a living, that's what is communism. Unvaccinated people are not entitled to a job without consequence.
  - canadian-on-hn 5y ago
    If someone doesn't want to get vaccinated, they're very welcome to go work in a job that doesn't require it; I know people that are happily earning a living while unvaccinated. There is no right to be able to work exactly the job you want on your own terms.