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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Canadian_pipeline_and_railway_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Canadian_pipeline_and_rai... "Prime Minister Justi

by 650 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Canadian_pipeline_and_railway_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Canadian_pipeline_and_rai... "Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said politicians should not be telling the police how to deal with protesters and that resolution should come through dialogue" Millions of dollars in damage by these protestors (railway above). Protests for me, but not for thee. Vaguely remember stuff like: "Your right to freedom of speech stops where it harms others" (hate speech) "Your right to bodily autonomy stops where you can harm others" (vax mandates) "Your right to protest stops where ... ?" These are all nuanced, sadly the Canadian government can override its Bill of Rights whenever they please under temporary 3 year Emergency Measures.

908B64B197 5y ago
Could you imagine this in America? "Don't like first amendment speech? Just suspend the constitution!" We should start processing asylum claims from the north...
- cf100clunk 5y ago
  On the video of the announcement you can clearly see & hear them state that all actions will be subject to the Charter Of Rights And Freedoms. Go look/listen.
voisin 5y ago
> sadly the Canadian government can override its Bill of Rights whenever they please under temporary 3 year Emergency Measures. …and then face elections with this track record, hence why this is the first time this bill has been invoked in 50 years.
- mmastrac 5y ago
  Yes. It's a risk to the ruling party to enact these measures and the next election will determine whether it was the right call or not. Regardless of the outcome of this situation, the current few weeks _will_ be taught in Canadian schools for the next decades.
cf100clunk 5y ago
You mean CORAF (Charter Of Rights And Freedoms) and not Bill of Rights, eh?
- n_plus_1 5y ago
  Technically we have both and Canada's constitution is so messy the latter might also be in it.
  - cf100clunk 5y ago
    The CORAF covers federal and provincial governance, while the earlier Bill Of Rights (1960) was only federal. The latter has very limited usefulness today on its own, so has essentially been subsumed by the former. I'm not sure what you mean by the Constitution being "messy" so I cannot comment on that.
digianarchist 5y ago
We don’t have a constitution. We have a loophole ridden document that allows each Premier in the nation to disregard Charter Rights via the Notwithstanding Clause. It’s time for Canada to rewrite the Constitution and to enshrine some inalienable rights and freedoms.
- rpeden 5y ago
  Good luck with the rewrite - Meech Lake and Charlottetown showed that getting the consensus needed for constitutional amendment won't be easy. You might also find that Canadians as a whole want a balance between public order and individual freedom that tilts more toward the public order end of the spectrum than you'd like.

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908B64B197 5y ago

Could you imagine this in America? "Don't like first amendment speech? Just suspend the constitution!" We should start processing asylum claims from the north...

cf100clunk 5y ago
On the video of the announcement you can clearly see & hear them state that all actions will be subject to the Charter Of Rights And Freedoms. Go look/listen.

voisin 5y ago

> sadly the Canadian government can override its Bill of Rights whenever they please under temporary 3 year Emergency Measures. …and then face elections with this track record, hence why this is the first time this bill has been invoked in 50 years.

mmastrac 5y ago
Yes. It's a risk to the ruling party to enact these measures and the next election will determine whether it was the right call or not. Regardless of the outcome of this situation, the current few weeks _will_ be taught in Canadian schools for the next decades.

cf100clunk 5y ago

You mean CORAF (Charter Of Rights And Freedoms) and not Bill of Rights, eh?

n_plus_1 5y ago
Technically we have both and Canada's constitution is so messy the latter might also be in it.
- cf100clunk 5y ago
  The CORAF covers federal and provincial governance, while the earlier Bill Of Rights (1960) was only federal. The latter has very limited usefulness today on its own, so has essentially been subsumed by the former. I'm not sure what you mean by the Constitution being "messy" so I cannot comment on that.

digianarchist 5y ago

We don’t have a constitution. We have a loophole ridden document that allows each Premier in the nation to disregard Charter Rights via the Notwithstanding Clause. It’s time for Canada to rewrite the Constitution and to enshrine some inalienable rights and freedoms.

rpeden 5y ago
Good luck with the rewrite - Meech Lake and Charlottetown showed that getting the consensus needed for constitutional amendment won't be easy. You might also find that Canadians as a whole want a balance between public order and individual freedom that tilts more toward the public order end of the spectrum than you'd like.