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What should be done differently? In Alberta restrictions have been lifted but the occupation of the border still hasn't ended.

dblohm7 5y ago
Not only that, but a cache of weapons and ammunition was seized from a trailer at that blockade.
- etimberg 5y ago
  Source for those who are curious https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blockade-arrests-rcmp-monday-1.6351112 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blocka...
__blockcipher__ 5y ago
Alberta hasn’t fully lifted the restrictions, nor has Kenney taken the option of reinstating the restrictions off the table.
- SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
  Firstly, he has a timeline for removing most restrictions, so there should be progress there, and secondly, why should he have to promise that? In case conditions change, say a much more deadly form of COVID, those restrictions may be needed. That demand seems unreasonable.
  - __blockcipher__ 5y ago
    And the truckers and everyone else on their side feels that leaving the emergency powers in the hands of the government is unreasonable. Thus why the two respective sides are at an impasse.
- newuser94303 5y ago
  The last time he removed the restrictions, he managed to create the worst Covid in Canada and had to apologize.
colechristensen 5y ago
Put the measures being protested directly up for a vote by the Canadian legislature (so they're not just executive actions), if they're not struck down the government should resign / do a no confidence vote, let people elect a new government. Let the people have their voice. If protests continue take actions that let them protest but reduce their ability to be disruptive. With the current dynamics of the disease though, authoritarian medical requirements are making much less sense over time. Vaccination doesn't really help curb transmission much and omicron is considerably less dangerous than previous variants. SARS2 was originally pretty near the threshold where government might not need to do anything forced and the new variant and ineffectiveness of the vaccine against is is pushing it further lower.
- mprovost 5y ago
  Omicron will not be the last variant and there's no guarantee that the next one will be less dangerous.
  - colechristensen 5y ago
    There's not a "guarantee" but this is the well known behavior of the evolution of diseases. There is strong evolutionary pressure to become less deadly and more infectious. Plus a future variant is likely to be even less affected by vaccination status.
    - azangru 5y ago
      > There's not a "guarantee" but this is the well known behavior of the evolution of diseases. There is strong evolutionary pressure to become less deadly and more infectious. Do you know of any evidence that would support this hypothesis? Especially when talking about evolution over short periods of time (years, not centuries or millennia)? An article in the Guardian published several months ago argued the opposite[0]; and while the Guardian is certainly no authority on scientific matters, and could well have its own narratives to push, their article suggests that this is not a well-known behaviour of pathogens. [0] – https://i.imgur.com/3bQGj04.png https://i.imgur.com/3bQGj04.png

dblohm7 5y ago

Not only that, but a cache of weapons and ammunition was seized from a trailer at that blockade.

etimberg 5y ago
Source for those who are curious https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blockade-arrests-rcmp-monday-1.6351112 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blocka...

__blockcipher__ 5y ago

Alberta hasn’t fully lifted the restrictions, nor has Kenney taken the option of reinstating the restrictions off the table.

SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
Firstly, he has a timeline for removing most restrictions, so there should be progress there, and secondly, why should he have to promise that? In case conditions change, say a much more deadly form of COVID, those restrictions may be needed. That demand seems unreasonable.
- __blockcipher__ 5y ago
  And the truckers and everyone else on their side feels that leaving the emergency powers in the hands of the government is unreasonable. Thus why the two respective sides are at an impasse.
newuser94303 5y ago
The last time he removed the restrictions, he managed to create the worst Covid in Canada and had to apologize.

colechristensen 5y ago

Put the measures being protested directly up for a vote by the Canadian legislature (so they're not just executive actions), if they're not struck down the government should resign / do a no confidence vote, let people elect a new government. Let the people have their voice. If protests continue take actions that let them protest but reduce their ability to be disruptive. With the current dynamics of the disease though, authoritarian medical requirements are making much less sense over time. Vaccination doesn't really help curb transmission much and omicron is considerably less dangerous than previous variants. SARS2 was originally pretty near the threshold where government might not need to do anything forced and the new variant and ineffectiveness of the vaccine against is is pushing it further lower.

mprovost 5y ago
Omicron will not be the last variant and there's no guarantee that the next one will be less dangerous.
- colechristensen 5y ago
  There's not a "guarantee" but this is the well known behavior of the evolution of diseases. There is strong evolutionary pressure to become less deadly and more infectious. Plus a future variant is likely to be even less affected by vaccination status.
  - azangru 5y ago
    > There's not a "guarantee" but this is the well known behavior of the evolution of diseases. There is strong evolutionary pressure to become less deadly and more infectious. Do you know of any evidence that would support this hypothesis? Especially when talking about evolution over short periods of time (years, not centuries or millennia)? An article in the Guardian published several months ago argued the opposite[0]; and while the Guardian is certainly no authority on scientific matters, and could well have its own narratives to push, their article suggests that this is not a well-known behaviour of pathogens. [0] – https://i.imgur.com/3bQGj04.png https://i.imgur.com/3bQGj04.png