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Yeeeeeah, I don't know about that. Anyone with their truck there risks forfeiting the asset that was used in commission of a crime. AKA their livelihood and lik

Yeeeeeah, I don't know about that. Anyone with their truck there risks forfeiting the asset that was used in commission of a crime. AKA their livelihood and likely most expensive asset. There is certainly not a bottomless pit of people wishing to do that.

tomohawk 5y ago
So, instead of stopping and blockading, people just start driving the minimum legal speed everywhere. Totally legal, but would totally get the point across. And you don't need a truck.
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e4e78a06 5y ago
Confiscating peoples' assets does not exactly engender you to a lot of political support. You're risking a massive loss in the next elections if you do that, just like how Democrats in the US are also facing huge electoral pressures on crime and COVID restrictions [1]. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/us/politics/new-york-mask-mandate.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/us/politics/new-york-mask...
- tedivm 5y ago
  This idea that there's a crime wave seems to be pushed here and on reddit by month old accounts with no real proof. The reality is that crime is down in most places. Lets look at San Francisco. I'm going to get my stats right from the San Francisco Police Department. Homocide - Down 20% Rape - Down 23.8% Robbery - Down 20.7% Assault - Down 8.8% Human Trafficking - Down 83.3% Burglary - Down 45.4% Motor Vehicle Theft - Down 6% Arson - Down 7.9% Larceny Theft - Up 12.8% Year over year the only type of crime that is up is Larceny Theft, and most of that is shoplifting. Everything else is down, and some of it by significant margins. There is no real basis for this "crime wave" people keep talking about. That pressure is really just right wing propaganda. https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crime-dashboard https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crim... Quick Edit: When I published this the stats were only current to February 6th, but they were updated after I posted with data up to the 13th. So my numbers above are going to be slightly off, but you can confirm them by changing the timeframe to end on the 6th.
  - slibhb 5y ago
    > There is no real basis for this "crime wave" people keep talking about. That pressure is really just right wing propaganda. Some "right wing propaganda" from the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/18/briefing/crime-surge-homicides-us.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/18/briefing/crime-surge-homi... And WaPo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/21/homicide-rates-have-soared-nationwide-mayors-see-chance-turnaround-2022 https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/21/homicide-ra... And The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/28/san-francisco-bay-area-gun-violence-murders-2020 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/28/san-francisc...
    - throwaway894345 5y ago
      In the same vein as the GP comment, one of my favorites is The Guardian "Everyone needs to relax, it's just a rise in murders, not a rise in crime". Whew! https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/30/us-crime-rate-homcides-explained https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/30/us-crime-rat...
    - paganel 5y ago
      Also The Economist: https://archive.fo/78rGz https://archive.fo/78rGz Later edit: This chart [1] taken from said article maybe will clarify some of the ongoing discussions. [1] https://archive.fo/78rGz/270f56724e7a40242b6639537e4183aea3b97dcc.webp https://archive.fo/78rGz/270f56724e7a40242b6639537e4183aea3b...
  - buscoquadnary 5y ago
    It's funny you say that because many people I know said they've simply stopped recording or responding to crime because everyone knows there will be no consequences for arresting somebody and the risk isn't worth arresting people in most cases. The prediction was that next people would use the evidence that there are fewer crimes being reported as proof that nothing is wrong. This does seem very much like what we are seeing here.
    - SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
- zozbot234 5y ago
  > You're risking a massive loss in the next elections if you do that You think most Canadians support the illegal blockade? Really? Evidence please.
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  - danuker 5y ago
    I believe there are more appropriate sanctions than freezing one's bank account.
ipaddr 5y ago
The people who have their lives taken away have little left to live for. The increases the violence and grows a movement you want to stop. If Trudeau opened debate weeks ago I wonder where we would be today.
- tonfreed 5y ago
  He was never going to do that. The media immediately started on the "truckers are Nazis" line and took that option off the table.
  - malermeister 5y ago
    - throwaway894345 5y ago
      It’s not like Trudeau is exactly a paragon of egalitarianism or racial sensitivity.
    - rasz 5y ago
      - canadian-on-hn 5y ago
        If you haven't heard the term before, this kind of response is called called "whataboutism": > Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in "what about…?") is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy, which attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving the argument. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
        rasz 5y ago
        No its not. This is pointing out hypocrisy.
tonfreed 5y ago
Sounds a little silly to confiscate the assets of the people bringing the food to your table. That and the towies in the area are refusing to move any of the trucks. Trudeau just looks weak at this point, and for a prime minister that got in because of his good looks and his dad's popularity it's not a good omen.
- jsjsbdkj 5y ago
  Surprisingly, I still have food on my table even though none of these people have worked in 3 weeks. If you're going to have a strike, you need to actually have an impact. Heavy equipment tow operators have recieved threats of violence, which is why at least some of them have not helped.
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- skyde 5y ago
  you know those trucker do not represent all trucker. The one protesting probably make less than 5% of all trucker.
- spartanatreyu 5y ago
  The vast majority of truckers understand the benefits of masks and vaccines to society as a whole. The ones protesting are either uber-libertarians (and possibly also "sovereign citizens"), dis-educated, or have some sort of mental/emotional shortcoming where they will resist any sort of directive given to them even if it goes in their in their interest. Sometimes people will lash out anyone who gives a helpful order because they feel like they're losing control.
- malermeister 5y ago
  90% of truckers are vaccinated. [0] This isn't "truckers" protesting, this is the radical fringe. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/28/canada-truckers-convoy-ottawa-covid/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/28/canada-truck...
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tomohawk 5y ago

So, instead of stopping and blockading, people just start driving the minimum legal speed everywhere. Totally legal, but would totally get the point across. And you don't need a truck.

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e4e78a06 5y ago

Confiscating peoples' assets does not exactly engender you to a lot of political support. You're risking a massive loss in the next elections if you do that, just like how Democrats in the US are also facing huge electoral pressures on crime and COVID restrictions [1]. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/us/politics/new-york-mask-mandate.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/us/politics/new-york-mask...

tedivm 5y ago
This idea that there's a crime wave seems to be pushed here and on reddit by month old accounts with no real proof. The reality is that crime is down in most places. Lets look at San Francisco. I'm going to get my stats right from the San Francisco Police Department. Homocide - Down 20% Rape - Down 23.8% Robbery - Down 20.7% Assault - Down 8.8% Human Trafficking - Down 83.3% Burglary - Down 45.4% Motor Vehicle Theft - Down 6% Arson - Down 7.9% Larceny Theft - Up 12.8% Year over year the only type of crime that is up is Larceny Theft, and most of that is shoplifting. Everything else is down, and some of it by significant margins. There is no real basis for this "crime wave" people keep talking about. That pressure is really just right wing propaganda. https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crime-dashboard https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crim... Quick Edit: When I published this the stats were only current to February 6th, but they were updated after I posted with data up to the 13th. So my numbers above are going to be slightly off, but you can confirm them by changing the timeframe to end on the 6th.
- slibhb 5y ago
  > There is no real basis for this "crime wave" people keep talking about. That pressure is really just right wing propaganda. Some "right wing propaganda" from the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/18/briefing/crime-surge-homicides-us.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/18/briefing/crime-surge-homi... And WaPo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/21/homicide-rates-have-soared-nationwide-mayors-see-chance-turnaround-2022 https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/21/homicide-ra... And The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/28/san-francisco-bay-area-gun-violence-murders-2020 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/28/san-francisc...
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    In the same vein as the GP comment, one of my favorites is The Guardian "Everyone needs to relax, it's just a rise in murders, not a rise in crime". Whew! https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/30/us-crime-rate-homcides-explained https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/30/us-crime-rat...
  - paganel 5y ago
    Also The Economist: https://archive.fo/78rGz https://archive.fo/78rGz Later edit: This chart [1] taken from said article maybe will clarify some of the ongoing discussions. [1] https://archive.fo/78rGz/270f56724e7a40242b6639537e4183aea3b97dcc.webp https://archive.fo/78rGz/270f56724e7a40242b6639537e4183aea3b...
- buscoquadnary 5y ago
  It's funny you say that because many people I know said they've simply stopped recording or responding to crime because everyone knows there will be no consequences for arresting somebody and the risk isn't worth arresting people in most cases. The prediction was that next people would use the evidence that there are fewer crimes being reported as proof that nothing is wrong. This does seem very much like what we are seeing here.
  - SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
zozbot234 5y ago
> You're risking a massive loss in the next elections if you do that You think most Canadians support the illegal blockade? Really? Evidence please.
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- danuker 5y ago
  I believe there are more appropriate sanctions than freezing one's bank account.

ipaddr 5y ago

The people who have their lives taken away have little left to live for. The increases the violence and grows a movement you want to stop. If Trudeau opened debate weeks ago I wonder where we would be today.

tonfreed 5y ago
He was never going to do that. The media immediately started on the "truckers are Nazis" line and took that option off the table.
- malermeister 5y ago
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    It’s not like Trudeau is exactly a paragon of egalitarianism or racial sensitivity.
  - rasz 5y ago
    - canadian-on-hn 5y ago
      If you haven't heard the term before, this kind of response is called called "whataboutism": > Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in "what about…?") is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy, which attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving the argument. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
      - rasz 5y ago
        No its not. This is pointing out hypocrisy.

tonfreed 5y ago

Sounds a little silly to confiscate the assets of the people bringing the food to your table. That and the towies in the area are refusing to move any of the trucks. Trudeau just looks weak at this point, and for a prime minister that got in because of his good looks and his dad's popularity it's not a good omen.

jsjsbdkj 5y ago
Surprisingly, I still have food on my table even though none of these people have worked in 3 weeks. If you're going to have a strike, you need to actually have an impact. Heavy equipment tow operators have recieved threats of violence, which is why at least some of them have not helped.
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skyde 5y ago
you know those trucker do not represent all trucker. The one protesting probably make less than 5% of all trucker.
spartanatreyu 5y ago
The vast majority of truckers understand the benefits of masks and vaccines to society as a whole. The ones protesting are either uber-libertarians (and possibly also "sovereign citizens"), dis-educated, or have some sort of mental/emotional shortcoming where they will resist any sort of directive given to them even if it goes in their in their interest. Sometimes people will lash out anyone who gives a helpful order because they feel like they're losing control.
malermeister 5y ago
90% of truckers are vaccinated. [0] This isn't "truckers" protesting, this is the radical fringe. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/28/canada-truckers-convoy-ottawa-covid/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/28/canada-truck...
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