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I don't think there's anything stopping web browsers to have the same level of privacy features as the apps, is there? Apple, Google and Microsoft owns both the

I don't think there's anything stopping web browsers to have the same level of privacy features as the apps, is there? Apple, Google and Microsoft owns both the OS and the browser, so there's really no excuse I feel.

endless1234 5y ago
GP's talking about Apple making PWAs unviable on iOS.
- ghaff 5y ago
  In what way are they unviable? Because it's not as easy (which is not actually easy) to discover and make money? That seems a choice one makes.
  - sneak 5y ago
    Notifications. Notifications are why they are unviable.
    - ghaff 5y ago
      I allow notifications from virtually nothing other than phone and messages.
Retric 5y ago
I don’t see how you could replicate blocking all network access with a website. Websites inherently communicate with a remote server which limits privacy guarantees.
- munk-a 5y ago
  With the exception of either investing time into targeted request black-holing or disallowing apps from contacting the outside world entirely (which would produce a pretty crappy AirBnB experience) I don't think this is really reasonable. Most useful apps have some legitimate reasons to talk to servers so blocking access before the app can get it (similar to how browsers block access before the site can get it) seems like the most reasonable approach. And websites don't need to inherently communicate with a remote server - there are a bunch of web tools out there that download a bunch of JS and then essentially run in local mode without ever sending that data home... yes the original stuff is coming from a foreign source but that's the same as Apps - the acquisition method is just different (and a lot more prone to abuse I'll grant you). However, pretty much every useful app you're using is calling home for some moderately legitimate reason - so I don't think it's helpful to differentiate the two classes of executables based on remote asset usage.
  - Retric 5y ago
    The majority of Apps on my phone have zero reason to communicate to the outside world. A calculator, standalone game, etc should function without network access and if it doesn’t then delete the app and get something useful when the network is down. Honestly, if I can’t block network access I don’t see the value in downloading a AirBnB app or just about any other app companies want me to install.
    - sneak 5y ago
      People prefer native user interfaces to APIs over the UI of web apps accessing those same APIs. A few years ago when phones were slower the difference was much more stark. It's straight amazing what can be done in a webview now.

endless1234 5y ago

GP's talking about Apple making PWAs unviable on iOS.

ghaff 5y ago
In what way are they unviable? Because it's not as easy (which is not actually easy) to discover and make money? That seems a choice one makes.
- sneak 5y ago
  Notifications. Notifications are why they are unviable.
  - ghaff 5y ago
    I allow notifications from virtually nothing other than phone and messages.

Retric 5y ago

I don’t see how you could replicate blocking all network access with a website. Websites inherently communicate with a remote server which limits privacy guarantees.

munk-a 5y ago
With the exception of either investing time into targeted request black-holing or disallowing apps from contacting the outside world entirely (which would produce a pretty crappy AirBnB experience) I don't think this is really reasonable. Most useful apps have some legitimate reasons to talk to servers so blocking access before the app can get it (similar to how browsers block access before the site can get it) seems like the most reasonable approach. And websites don't need to inherently communicate with a remote server - there are a bunch of web tools out there that download a bunch of JS and then essentially run in local mode without ever sending that data home... yes the original stuff is coming from a foreign source but that's the same as Apps - the acquisition method is just different (and a lot more prone to abuse I'll grant you). However, pretty much every useful app you're using is calling home for some moderately legitimate reason - so I don't think it's helpful to differentiate the two classes of executables based on remote asset usage.
- Retric 5y ago
  The majority of Apps on my phone have zero reason to communicate to the outside world. A calculator, standalone game, etc should function without network access and if it doesn’t then delete the app and get something useful when the network is down. Honestly, if I can’t block network access I don’t see the value in downloading a AirBnB app or just about any other app companies want me to install.
  - sneak 5y ago
    People prefer native user interfaces to APIs over the UI of web apps accessing those same APIs. A few years ago when phones were slower the difference was much more stark. It's straight amazing what can be done in a webview now.