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> Still, it advances the important goals of exposing students to a somewhat broader range of colleagues and helping to lift more underrepresented minorities int
by jevoten 5y ago
> Still, it advances the important goals of exposing students to a somewhat broader range of colleagues and helping to lift more underrepresented minorities into positions in the power elite, which remains heavily white.
I don't know about the power elite, but I wouldn't call Harvard or the Ivy League "heavily white". The current (or recent, last few years) composition of non-international students in the Ivy League is as follows:
Ivy League US Ratio
Jewish 17.2% 2.4% 7.16
Asian 19.6% 5.3% 3.71
White (incl. Jewish) 50.3% 61.5% 0.82
Hispanic 11.4% 17.6% 0.65
Black 7.8% 12.7% 0.61
White (non-Jewish) 33.1% 59.1% 0.56
Multi-ethnic students and minor ethnicities were excluded from this table. Sources used were the universities own diversity reports, and the lowest estimate for the Jewish student body from the following Jewish organizations: http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/ http://hillel.org/college-guide/list/, https://forward.com/jewish-college-guide/ https://forward.com/jewish-college-guide/, and https://ejewishphilanthropy.com/how-many-jewish-undergraduates/ https://ejewishphilanthropy.com/how-many-jewish-undergraduat....
The (slightly messy) calculations: https://www.jotform.com/tables/220446862418862 https://www.jotform.com/tables/220446862418862 - please let me know if you find any errors.
Edit: Updated table link: https://airtable.com/shrtIPZdmejxwKUcM https://airtable.com/shrtIPZdmejxwKUcM - jotform seems to let the creator view the table, but anyone else is made to log in. Hopefully airtable doesn't pull shady tricks like that.
- balsam 5y agoSo.. you are saying the Ivies are heavily Jewish? (Going by the ratios) In any case, I think there should be just 2 categories: left/right or judeo-christian/non-judeo christian
- muh_gradle 5y agoI'd be curious about seeing statistics that are white (including Jewish) and also students that benefited from legacy. In fact, if we do a (race && legacy_flag), where do you think it would be favored? I am guessing it would lean very heavily towards white.
- thomassmith65 5y agoThe history of Jewish admissions at Harvard* (and Princeton, etc) is sort of 'required reading' to understand the Asian admissions issue. If I recall correctly large numbers of Jewish students, at least into the 1960s, who applied to the Ivies just had stellar grades. Harvard and others implemented 'character tests' as a result, as they worried the overrepresentation of Jews on campus would scare off Christian parents. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_quota https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_quota
- muh_gradle 5y agoI can believe that. I am confident though that Jewish students benefit heavily more with legacy. Asian Americans don't have 3-5 generations of Harvard and Ivy league students to benefit from. It's all a moot point though because private institutions will never release this information, and we will always have an "elite" white cohort consequently.
- Manuel_D 5y agoDoes this presume that all Jewish people are white? I suppose it's probably a safe assumption in the US where the overwhelming majority are Ashkenazim (European Jews).
- bitcurious 5y agoMiddle Eastern folks also are classified as “white” so it’s a comparatively small population of Jewish folks who are potentially misclassified.
- scarmig 5y agoI think I found a bug in your calculation link. When I click on it, it shows me some kind of button telling me to login with something called the Facebook or Google? Has it been hacked in some way? ETA: thanks, Airtable works.
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- tharne 5y ago> I don't know about the power elite, but I wouldn't call Harvard or the Ivy League "heavily white". Don't mess up the progressive narrative with facts. You'll just get called a racist.
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