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The amount of people in HN who think they can do a better job at being the CEO of every company; or being the president of any country; or being better than who

The amount of people in HN who think they can do a better job at being the CEO of every company; or being the president of any country; or being better than whoever is trying to something, astounds me. Dudes, if saving Firefox was so easy that could be described in a single comment like that, it would have been saved already. There are more people at Mozilla than the CEO, she is not responsible for all decisions. She is a quite nice person to be honest, has always been very kind to me while I was volunteering and later while I was working there. She is more into the Mozilla mission than many here. Also, people need to understand that Firefox is not the reason for Mozilla existence, Firefox is one of the tools that Mozilla has (and depends on) to fullfil its mission. People need to wake up and realise that Firefox is the last remaining independent browser, and that fighting against Microsoft, Google, and Apple is damn hard. There is a huge intersection between people who are often saying they know how to fix Mozilla and those using non-Firefox browsers. If people here who cares about Mozilla would volunteer, and also use the browser, Mozilla would be in a much better shape. People who keep saying things like "cut their salaries", "cancel all projects", have absolutely no idea how all this works, or even how Mozilla works. I understand you're all frustrated, but you're going at it from the wrong direction. You need to remember that it was side projects that made Firefox. At that time the workhorse of Mozilla was the Mozilla Suite. It was also non-Firefox projects that brought up Rust and many other cool technologies. Want to fix Mozilla? Take an active part in it.

skinkestek 5y ago
> Also, people need to understand that Firefox is not the reason for Mozilla existence, Firefox is one of the tools that Mozilla has (and depends on) to fullfil its mission. This is why I downvoted you. (edit: will undo, this misunderstanding needs to be discussed.) This is the big misunderstanding. If Mozilla can do something in addition to Firefox, fine. But Firefox is simultaneously Mozillas biggest contribution to the open web and their main income source. Sacrificing Firefox for a higher goal is almost literally to butcher the goose who laid the golden eggs. > Want to fix Mozilla? Take an active part in it. Try that and get flagged for advocacy(!). Seriously: see the tab strip api to see it in action.
selfhoster11 5y ago
> Also, people need to understand that Firefox is not the reason for Mozilla existence, Firefox is one of the tools that Mozilla has (and depends on) to fullfil its mission. No. This is arguing that the tail is wagging the dog. The only reason why people care about Mozilla at all is not their social projects, not the fact that they released a VPN, or the fact that they maintain Thunderbird (OK, fine, for some it is). The reason they care is because Mozilla is developing Firefox. Subtract Firefox from Mozilla, and you get zero or less. And yes, we realise that Firefox is the last remaining independent browser - which is why it's alarming that they are focusing on anything else when the market share is so low. Their ship is sinking and they are debating whether the orchestra should play Bach or Mozart on the way down.
cartesius13 5y ago
>There is a huge intersection between people who are often saying they know how to fix Mozilla and those using non-Firefox browsers. If people here who cares about Mozilla would volunteer, and also use the browser, Mozilla would be in a much better shape I have to agree with this. You see everyone on HN talking about the importance of Firefox in the fight against Google's monopoly but yet when you read comments about anything web related many (maybe most) commenters say they use Chrome (Someone should do a HN Poll). There is no excuse to use anything other than Firefox if you claim to care about things the open web, software freedom etc.
- ThalesX 5y ago
  > There is no excuse to use anything other than Firefox if you claim to care about things the open web, software freedom etc. What changes if I use it more with metrics disabled?
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dleslie 5y ago
> If people here who cares about Mozilla would volunteer, and also use the browser, Mozilla would be in a much better shape. > Want to fix Mozilla? Take an active part in it. Why would I volunteer for an organization that pays its CEO something like 70x the average American salary? It doesn't operate itself like a nonprofit. I don't want to put my free time into a project that exists to pay for someone's private villas.
- presentation 5y ago
  Not specifically about Firefox but: if nonprofits can’t pay for talent then you get what you pay for, crappy talent for important positions. That said many people have your mindset so that puts all nonprofits at a disadvantage against any for-profit initiative as far as getting talent goes. You shouldn’t need to martyr yourself to do something good.
  - dleslie 5y ago
    If the non-profit can pay market rates for a CEO then it can pay market rates for developers.
    - presentation 5y ago
      Do they not pay market rates for developers?
      - dleslie 5y ago
        The suggestion being made is that developers should engage in unpaid labour to make Firefox better.

skinkestek 5y ago

> Also, people need to understand that Firefox is not the reason for Mozilla existence, Firefox is one of the tools that Mozilla has (and depends on) to fullfil its mission. This is why I downvoted you. (edit: will undo, this misunderstanding needs to be discussed.) This is the big misunderstanding. If Mozilla can do something in addition to Firefox, fine. But Firefox is simultaneously Mozillas biggest contribution to the open web and their main income source. Sacrificing Firefox for a higher goal is almost literally to butcher the goose who laid the golden eggs. > Want to fix Mozilla? Take an active part in it. Try that and get flagged for advocacy(!). Seriously: see the tab strip api to see it in action.

selfhoster11 5y ago

> Also, people need to understand that Firefox is not the reason for Mozilla existence, Firefox is one of the tools that Mozilla has (and depends on) to fullfil its mission. No. This is arguing that the tail is wagging the dog. The only reason why people care about Mozilla at all is not their social projects, not the fact that they released a VPN, or the fact that they maintain Thunderbird (OK, fine, for some it is). The reason they care is because Mozilla is developing Firefox. Subtract Firefox from Mozilla, and you get zero or less. And yes, we realise that Firefox is the last remaining independent browser - which is why it's alarming that they are focusing on anything else when the market share is so low. Their ship is sinking and they are debating whether the orchestra should play Bach or Mozart on the way down.

cartesius13 5y ago

>There is a huge intersection between people who are often saying they know how to fix Mozilla and those using non-Firefox browsers. If people here who cares about Mozilla would volunteer, and also use the browser, Mozilla would be in a much better shape I have to agree with this. You see everyone on HN talking about the importance of Firefox in the fight against Google's monopoly but yet when you read comments about anything web related many (maybe most) commenters say they use Chrome (Someone should do a HN Poll). There is no excuse to use anything other than Firefox if you claim to care about things the open web, software freedom etc.

ThalesX 5y ago
> There is no excuse to use anything other than Firefox if you claim to care about things the open web, software freedom etc. What changes if I use it more with metrics disabled?

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dleslie 5y ago

> If people here who cares about Mozilla would volunteer, and also use the browser, Mozilla would be in a much better shape. > Want to fix Mozilla? Take an active part in it. Why would I volunteer for an organization that pays its CEO something like 70x the average American salary? It doesn't operate itself like a nonprofit. I don't want to put my free time into a project that exists to pay for someone's private villas.

presentation 5y ago
Not specifically about Firefox but: if nonprofits can’t pay for talent then you get what you pay for, crappy talent for important positions. That said many people have your mindset so that puts all nonprofits at a disadvantage against any for-profit initiative as far as getting talent goes. You shouldn’t need to martyr yourself to do something good.
- dleslie 5y ago
  If the non-profit can pay market rates for a CEO then it can pay market rates for developers.
  - presentation 5y ago
    Do they not pay market rates for developers?
    - dleslie 5y ago
      The suggestion being made is that developers should engage in unpaid labour to make Firefox better.