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For those of you still on the fence or just learning about this, here's a rundown of the fine people in charge of this travesty of a "protest": https://www.ctv

For those of you still on the fence or just learning about this, here's a rundown of the fine people in charge of this travesty of a "protest": https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-major-players-in-the-trucker-convoy-protest-1.5776441 https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-majo... PAT KING: Pat King is a far-right protester who has said in videos posted to social media that there may be future plans to target politicians' homes and that "the only way that this is going to be solved is with bullets." He has called for the arrest of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly. King has gained attention online for a video posted to Twitter in which he decries the "depopulation" of white people, as well as another video posted in 2019 in which he makes racist remarks about Jewish, Muslim, and Chinese people.

throwaway894345 5y ago
I genuinely wonder how many of the people protesting actually know who this person is or what he believes (if the parent comment even accurately represents him--I really have no idea). Reminds me of how people would criticize BLM protests on the basis that some people in the BLM org had ties to communism--a very weak criticism considering how many better criticisms existed and how few of the protesters had related views. The parent comment seems like a similarly weak indictment of the protesters.
- talentedcoin 5y ago
  You think pointing out that there’s far-right extremists managing this whole show is a “weak indictment” when one of the stated goals of said protest is to overturn a democratically elected government?
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    It's a strong indictment to the extent that this person actually "runs the show" and his views about race represent the majority of protesters' views. Which is to say "yes, it's a weak indictment".
    - talentedcoin 5y ago
      Idk. At best you are defending the idea that the majority of protestors are pawns in someone else’s game, no? Just because someone doesn’t know they’re being used doesn’t mean they aren’t being used …
      - 8note 5y ago
        i dont see canadian citizens as pawns. Support isn't going to go past the aligned interests
      - throwaway894345 5y ago
        If that's the case then you're screwed either way because Trudeau's racism is thoroughly documented. :) But thankfully (much to the chagrin of the media and others) these protests have centered narrowly around the bodily autonomy issue rather than unsavory race views, and the likelihood of the protests transforming into racial protests is small. Further still, the establishment could completely take the wind out of the alleged protest leaders' sails by acquiescing (no need to organize under these guys if the need to organize goes away altogether).
        talentedcoin 5y ago
        If you think Trudeau wearing blackface (also bad, obvs) is comparable to the occupation of the capital of Canada, I wish you well — we really have nothing to discuss here.
        throwaway894345 5y ago
        I don't think they're comparable. Peaceful protests are a good thing and blackface (by an authoritarian no less) is a bad thing.
        talentedcoin 5y ago
        Yeah, seems super peaceful: https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/ottawa-police-report-a-night-of-disruptive-and-unlawful-behaviour-during-freedom-convoy-protest-1.5770083 https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/ottawa-police-report-a-nigh... Please, spare me, and spare the rest of us, your poorly informed takes.
- AlimJaffer 5y ago
  King is literally a founding convoy organizer who calls the shots and has a massive following and influence on the convoy members. His videos get 100's of thousands of views and he influenced the convoy 'manifesto' that they created to try to overthrow the government. Your comment shows you have done zero research into the matter. He's a vocal white supremacist who believes Islam has taken over the government to kill white bloodlines. You can find many videos of him saying this to be broadcast to his following.
  - 8note 5y ago
    I get the sense you aren't familiar with BLM Canada. They aren't dissimilar.
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    I don't doubt he's crazy, I do doubt his crazier views represent those of protesters more broadly. But in whichever case, the administration could take the wind out of his sails by yielding--no need to organize under King if the goal is accomplished. If the government didn't take an authoritarian stance in the first place, King would be marginal.

throwaway894345 5y ago

I genuinely wonder how many of the people protesting actually know who this person is or what he believes (if the parent comment even accurately represents him--I really have no idea). Reminds me of how people would criticize BLM protests on the basis that some people in the BLM org had ties to communism--a very weak criticism considering how many better criticisms existed and how few of the protesters had related views. The parent comment seems like a similarly weak indictment of the protesters.

talentedcoin 5y ago
You think pointing out that there’s far-right extremists managing this whole show is a “weak indictment” when one of the stated goals of said protest is to overturn a democratically elected government?
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  It's a strong indictment to the extent that this person actually "runs the show" and his views about race represent the majority of protesters' views. Which is to say "yes, it's a weak indictment".
  - talentedcoin 5y ago
    Idk. At best you are defending the idea that the majority of protestors are pawns in someone else’s game, no? Just because someone doesn’t know they’re being used doesn’t mean they aren’t being used …
    - 8note 5y ago
      i dont see canadian citizens as pawns. Support isn't going to go past the aligned interests
    - throwaway894345 5y ago
      If that's the case then you're screwed either way because Trudeau's racism is thoroughly documented. :) But thankfully (much to the chagrin of the media and others) these protests have centered narrowly around the bodily autonomy issue rather than unsavory race views, and the likelihood of the protests transforming into racial protests is small. Further still, the establishment could completely take the wind out of the alleged protest leaders' sails by acquiescing (no need to organize under these guys if the need to organize goes away altogether).
      - talentedcoin 5y ago
        If you think Trudeau wearing blackface (also bad, obvs) is comparable to the occupation of the capital of Canada, I wish you well — we really have nothing to discuss here.
        throwaway894345 5y ago
        I don't think they're comparable. Peaceful protests are a good thing and blackface (by an authoritarian no less) is a bad thing.
        talentedcoin 5y ago
        Yeah, seems super peaceful: https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/ottawa-police-report-a-night-of-disruptive-and-unlawful-behaviour-during-freedom-convoy-protest-1.5770083 https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/mobile/ottawa-police-report-a-nigh... Please, spare me, and spare the rest of us, your poorly informed takes.
AlimJaffer 5y ago
King is literally a founding convoy organizer who calls the shots and has a massive following and influence on the convoy members. His videos get 100's of thousands of views and he influenced the convoy 'manifesto' that they created to try to overthrow the government. Your comment shows you have done zero research into the matter. He's a vocal white supremacist who believes Islam has taken over the government to kill white bloodlines. You can find many videos of him saying this to be broadcast to his following.
- 8note 5y ago
  I get the sense you aren't familiar with BLM Canada. They aren't dissimilar.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  I don't doubt he's crazy, I do doubt his crazier views represent those of protesters more broadly. But in whichever case, the administration could take the wind out of his sails by yielding--no need to organize under King if the goal is accomplished. If the government didn't take an authoritarian stance in the first place, King would be marginal.