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> I was listening to the ATP podcast. All three hosts are big fans of Apple, they use and promote Apple products, and make all or some of their living selling a

by rosndo 5y ago

> I was listening to the ATP podcast. All three hosts are big fans of Apple, they use and promote Apple products, and make all or some of their living selling apps. They all think Apple is making a huge mistake here. Hmmm…

criddell 5y ago
There’s more than one way to interpret that. As people who have made significant investments in the platform, they want it to stay strong and fear that Apple’s inflexibility will ultimately hurt the platform. They are thinking about years into the future rather than the next quarter or two. They were fans of Apple before they ever started building in the ecosystem.
- rosndo 5y ago
  > There’s more than one way to interpret that Sure, but there’s also the really obvious interpretation. These are people who will immediately earn more if the apple tax is reduced.
  - TillE 5y ago
    Of the three hosts, only Marco makes an iOS app.
    - tshell 5y ago
      Casey does as well: https://www.caseyliss.com/2020/2/6/peek-a-view https://www.caseyliss.com/2020/2/6/peek-a-view
  - philistine 5y ago
    Marco Arment has repeated time and time again that he doesn't care about changing his payment system. He wants Apple to see the regulatory Armageddon it is facing.
  - criddell 5y ago
    It may be an obvious interpretation, but it isn't very charitable. Are you trying to make the argument that Apple's rules make sense and those who want to see change likely have a conflict of interest? If so, then you may be the person I didn't think existed. Do you think Apple's doing the right thing?
    - rosndo 5y ago
      > Are you trying to make the argument that Apple's rules make sense and those who want to see change likely have a conflict of interest? In fact I’d argue that it’s almost exclusively those with a conflict of interest who care the least bit about the Apple tax. > Do you think Apple's doing the right thing? Yes. Apple can charge whatever they feel is appropriate. If at some point their prices will be too high, I can jump ship.
      - criddell 5y ago
        > Apple can charge whatever they feel is appropriate. I think you are answering a slightly different question than I’m asking. You might think they should be allowed to run their platform however they want but the reality is that because of their size and power, they can’t. Regulators will at least force them to allow alternate payment providers and if Apple keeps pushing back, they will eventually be forced to allow side loading or alternate app stores (which I would think would be a disaster). So given the regulatory environment they exist in, they only way their current strategy is smart is if they can defeat the EU. I don’t think they can and I think we will all be worse off in a few years because of Apple’s petulance.
        rosndo 5y ago
        > Regulators will at least force them to allow alternate payment providers Yes, but the 27% apple tax is separate from the payment providers.
        criddell 5y ago
        yep, and that’s probably what’s going to get them in the most trouble. The platform is getting to the point where I could see it being regulated like a public utility.

by rosndo 5y ago

criddell 5y ago

There’s more than one way to interpret that. As people who have made significant investments in the platform, they want it to stay strong and fear that Apple’s inflexibility will ultimately hurt the platform. They are thinking about years into the future rather than the next quarter or two. They were fans of Apple before they ever started building in the ecosystem.

rosndo 5y ago
> There’s more than one way to interpret that Sure, but there’s also the really obvious interpretation. These are people who will immediately earn more if the apple tax is reduced.
- TillE 5y ago
  Of the three hosts, only Marco makes an iOS app.
  - tshell 5y ago
    Casey does as well: https://www.caseyliss.com/2020/2/6/peek-a-view https://www.caseyliss.com/2020/2/6/peek-a-view
- philistine 5y ago
  Marco Arment has repeated time and time again that he doesn't care about changing his payment system. He wants Apple to see the regulatory Armageddon it is facing.
- criddell 5y ago
  It may be an obvious interpretation, but it isn't very charitable. Are you trying to make the argument that Apple's rules make sense and those who want to see change likely have a conflict of interest? If so, then you may be the person I didn't think existed. Do you think Apple's doing the right thing?
  - rosndo 5y ago
    > Are you trying to make the argument that Apple's rules make sense and those who want to see change likely have a conflict of interest? In fact I’d argue that it’s almost exclusively those with a conflict of interest who care the least bit about the Apple tax. > Do you think Apple's doing the right thing? Yes. Apple can charge whatever they feel is appropriate. If at some point their prices will be too high, I can jump ship.
    - criddell 5y ago
      > Apple can charge whatever they feel is appropriate. I think you are answering a slightly different question than I’m asking. You might think they should be allowed to run their platform however they want but the reality is that because of their size and power, they can’t. Regulators will at least force them to allow alternate payment providers and if Apple keeps pushing back, they will eventually be forced to allow side loading or alternate app stores (which I would think would be a disaster). So given the regulatory environment they exist in, they only way their current strategy is smart is if they can defeat the EU. I don’t think they can and I think we will all be worse off in a few years because of Apple’s petulance.
      - rosndo 5y ago
        > Regulators will at least force them to allow alternate payment providers Yes, but the 27% apple tax is separate from the payment providers.
        criddell 5y ago
        yep, and that’s probably what’s going to get them in the most trouble. The platform is getting to the point where I could see it being regulated like a public utility.