Yeah, though the Netherlands started before they had gone _too_ far down the sprawling hellscape path. Even with better infra, it's a rotten situation where you

Yeah, though the Netherlands started before they had gone _too_ far down the sprawling hellscape path. Even with better infra, it's a rotten situation where you need to go 2 miles from home to buy milk. Hopefully we can let nature reclaim the suburbs and increase density in the cities. Jason Slaughter of NotJustBikes also pointed out that in NL they at least had an entire generation or two of people who remembered a different way of living, without being car dependent. All those people have died out in the US now, and even people in their mid-80's came of age when the US was going whole hog on car dependency. I want better for the US but I'm not optimistic. A new city built of whole cloth (maybe culdesac.com can do it?) might have a chance.