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I disagree - Spotify is biggest music service despite being the smallest company among its competitors. Network effects can be broken. It’s not like Google and

I disagree - Spotify is biggest music service despite being the smallest company among its competitors. Network effects can be broken. It’s not like Google and Apple are #1 in every area where they compete.

Nextgrid 5y ago
> It’s not like Google and Apple are #1 in every area where they compete. Google and Apple control the platform so they can kick you out or make your business unprofitable with shenanigans such as these.
parthdesai 5y ago
And ask spotify of how they feel about app store, apple and it's practices :) https://newsroom.spotify.com/2019-03-13/consumers-and-innovators-win-on-a-level-playing-field/ https://newsroom.spotify.com/2019-03-13/consumers-and-innova...
- endisneigh 5y ago
  Seems like they’re ok with it since they’re still on iOS.
  - jsnell 5y ago
    Seems like Apple should be ok with obeying European regulations, since they're still operating here.
    - endisneigh 5y ago
      Agreed. The EU should honestly call their bluff then. If the citizens result then you have your answer to what the average person thinks of the situation.
enragedcacti 5y ago
Spotify doesn't have to sell you a phone and doesn't need thousands of developers (including Apple and Google) to build apps for that phone to make it a viable purchase option. Google famously refused to develop a YouTube app for Windows Phone and refused to allow Microsoft's home built app to connect to YouTube. Just because it's possible to compete in one product area doesn't mean its possible to compete in all of them. A smartphone experience is networks on networks on networks to the point that breaking in is next to impossible despite the fact that one of them is based on an open source OS.
ejj28 5y ago
Spotify also predates Apple Music and has always been more popular than Google's scattered offerings
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YmiYugy 5y ago
Spotify had a first mover advantage and is now using network effects of playlists and recommendation to keep their market share. If anything it's a testament to the power of Apple and Amazon that they were able to gain significant marketshare. Trying to directly compete with Apple and Google in the mobile OS market would be like trying to compete with Boing/Airbus or TSMC/Samsung, in that the capital requirements are so astronomical without extreme forms of subsidies and protectionism.

Nextgrid 5y ago

> It’s not like Google and Apple are #1 in every area where they compete. Google and Apple control the platform so they can kick you out or make your business unprofitable with shenanigans such as these.

parthdesai 5y ago

And ask spotify of how they feel about app store, apple and it's practices :) https://newsroom.spotify.com/2019-03-13/consumers-and-innovators-win-on-a-level-playing-field/ https://newsroom.spotify.com/2019-03-13/consumers-and-innova...

endisneigh 5y ago
Seems like they’re ok with it since they’re still on iOS.
- jsnell 5y ago
  Seems like Apple should be ok with obeying European regulations, since they're still operating here.
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    Agreed. The EU should honestly call their bluff then. If the citizens result then you have your answer to what the average person thinks of the situation.

enragedcacti 5y ago

Spotify doesn't have to sell you a phone and doesn't need thousands of developers (including Apple and Google) to build apps for that phone to make it a viable purchase option. Google famously refused to develop a YouTube app for Windows Phone and refused to allow Microsoft's home built app to connect to YouTube. Just because it's possible to compete in one product area doesn't mean its possible to compete in all of them. A smartphone experience is networks on networks on networks to the point that breaking in is next to impossible despite the fact that one of them is based on an open source OS.

ejj28 5y ago

Spotify also predates Apple Music and has always been more popular than Google's scattered offerings

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YmiYugy 5y ago

Spotify had a first mover advantage and is now using network effects of playlists and recommendation to keep their market share. If anything it's a testament to the power of Apple and Amazon that they were able to gain significant marketshare. Trying to directly compete with Apple and Google in the mobile OS market would be like trying to compete with Boing/Airbus or TSMC/Samsung, in that the capital requirements are so astronomical without extreme forms of subsidies and protectionism.