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> Smartphones are unapologetically devices for consumption Speak for yourself, my phone is for communicating with friends and recording memories. > This cultu

by dymk 5y ago

> Smartphones are unapologetically devices for consumption Speak for yourself, my phone is for communicating with friends and recording memories. > This cultural equality is diminished by an exodus to devices What the heck is "cultural equality" and what do people using smartphones have to do with it? Does the author think nobody owns a desktop/laptop anymore? > They are not real network clients. Neither is your laptop if you want good battery life. > They have led to massive centralization. Is that why Discord is popular on mobile, and not on desktop? Wait, no, it's popular regardless of platform. --- How does this kind of article make it to the front page of HN, seriously?

dylan604 5y ago
>Does the author think nobody owns a desktop/laptop anymore? The number of households where the only compute device is a mobile device is probably higher than you give it credit. I know it was for me. I'm not including "smart" devices or IoT devices. These same households may not even have an internet connection in them so that the mobile device is their only method of data consumption.
- dymk 5y ago
  Presumably, those households without internet connection don't really have the option of a laptop or desktop then, no? In that case, smartphones seem to be pretty great at giving people the option to participate in the internet. I know hobby animators, artists, and musicians that produce work solely on their smartphone.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    >Presumably, those households without internet connection don't really have the option of a laptop or desktop then, no? While this probably leans to yes more often than not, however, it is 100% totally possible to own/use a laptop/desktop without using the internet. See all of computer history before the internet as an example. You can totally animate, "paint", create music without being online. Again, see all of art history pre-internet.
    - dymk 5y ago
      Sure, perhaps not 100%, but I don't see how this lends any strength towards the article's argument that smartphones are making the world less equal due to some perceived content-creation imbalance between the two platforms. How much content do you see created on computers not connected to the internet versus created on a smartphone?
      - dylan604 5y ago
        I have been in several post production facilities that are not connected to the internet on any production machine. Locally networked to storage and what not, but no internet access at all. These are the types of places that work on feature films and television content that the studios are concerned with leaked footage. I have been involved in getting MPAA certified in multiple facilities. Obvioulsy YouTube creators don't give a shit about security of their content to the level of MPAA facilities, so it will definitely skew to higher non-secure internet connected creators than secured non-connected. But it is not 0%
        dymk 5y ago
        That's nice and interesting, but I'm not sure what any of that has to do with the point that the author is making in TFA, nor the comments that I've made.
        dylan604 5y ago
        >nor the comments that I've made. >>How much content do you see created on computers not connected to the internet versus created on a smartphone? Me personally, a lot. I even gave anecdotal supporting evidence, and with that, you can assume you've seen some of this content as well. The vast majority of my own personally created content is also created on non-internet connected hardware. >but I'm not sure what any of that has to do with the point that the author is making in TFA Conversations evolve.
hombre_fatal 5y ago
> How does this kind of article make it to the front page of HN, seriously? The title alone is pure HN-bait.

by dymk 5y ago

dylan604 5y ago

>Does the author think nobody owns a desktop/laptop anymore? The number of households where the only compute device is a mobile device is probably higher than you give it credit. I know it was for me. I'm not including "smart" devices or IoT devices. These same households may not even have an internet connection in them so that the mobile device is their only method of data consumption.

dymk 5y ago
Presumably, those households without internet connection don't really have the option of a laptop or desktop then, no? In that case, smartphones seem to be pretty great at giving people the option to participate in the internet. I know hobby animators, artists, and musicians that produce work solely on their smartphone.
- dylan604 5y ago
  >Presumably, those households without internet connection don't really have the option of a laptop or desktop then, no? While this probably leans to yes more often than not, however, it is 100% totally possible to own/use a laptop/desktop without using the internet. See all of computer history before the internet as an example. You can totally animate, "paint", create music without being online. Again, see all of art history pre-internet.
  - dymk 5y ago
    Sure, perhaps not 100%, but I don't see how this lends any strength towards the article's argument that smartphones are making the world less equal due to some perceived content-creation imbalance between the two platforms. How much content do you see created on computers not connected to the internet versus created on a smartphone?
    - dylan604 5y ago
      I have been in several post production facilities that are not connected to the internet on any production machine. Locally networked to storage and what not, but no internet access at all. These are the types of places that work on feature films and television content that the studios are concerned with leaked footage. I have been involved in getting MPAA certified in multiple facilities. Obvioulsy YouTube creators don't give a shit about security of their content to the level of MPAA facilities, so it will definitely skew to higher non-secure internet connected creators than secured non-connected. But it is not 0%
      - dymk 5y ago
        That's nice and interesting, but I'm not sure what any of that has to do with the point that the author is making in TFA, nor the comments that I've made.
        dylan604 5y ago
        >nor the comments that I've made. >>How much content do you see created on computers not connected to the internet versus created on a smartphone? Me personally, a lot. I even gave anecdotal supporting evidence, and with that, you can assume you've seen some of this content as well. The vast majority of my own personally created content is also created on non-internet connected hardware. >but I'm not sure what any of that has to do with the point that the author is making in TFA Conversations evolve.

hombre_fatal 5y ago

> How does this kind of article make it to the front page of HN, seriously? The title alone is pure HN-bait.