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Because I'm sympathetic to their plight. I'm a class traitor frankly. My whole family works in jobs like this that have been impacted. One of my old co-found

Because I'm sympathetic to their plight. I'm a class traitor frankly. My whole family works in jobs like this that have been impacted. One of my old co-founders was a 24 big-rig truck mechanic and his dad is being put out of business by the California CARB restrictions. But aside from the specifics, I find it odd that people are decrying cross-national donations of money to causes. Were similar complaints made about CA->US donations in 2020? How about national disasters? I don't need a reason to give charitably to causes I care about in the world, and a supposedly cosmopolitan populace wondering about transnational giving seems contradictory to me.

ineedasername 5y ago
I don't think national disasters are in quite the same category of charitable giving.
Apocryphon 5y ago
These protests are a disruption specific to the internal affairs of Canada. The U.S. has long had a dominant power relationship with the rest of the continent. The way that Americans have imposed their views on both sides of this internal conflict is both patronizing and deleterious to the self-determination of the Canadian people. It would be as suspect if one was to donate to the Shining Path, the Contras, the Medellín Cartel, or any other faction.
- beerandt 5y ago
  >specific to the internal affairs of Canada. It's a Canada policy, but is specific to crossing the border from the US. "Specific to internal affairs" is a stretch at best. >Shining Path, the Contras, the Medellín Cartel, or any other faction. You forgot BLM.
  - 8note 5y ago
    It's a matter of sovereignty who you let in and under what conditions. There are some treaty specifics, but as far as Americans are involved, it's those treaties, and you're free to renegotiate them
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    BLM is based in the United States, so that reference would not make sense unless you are talking about funding crossing state lines. > It's a Canada policy, but is specific to crossing the border from the US. Up until the blockade of the border, it was an internal matter entirely, but you are correct here. If the border situation escalates, then the OAS needs to get involved to mediate a ceasefire and ensure that free and fair elections can take place.
    - beerandt 5y ago
      Canada and international donations to blm is.
      - Apocryphon 5y ago
        Are you alleging that the Logan Act has been violated? That is a serious accusation.
- adamrezich 5y ago
  if we're gonna start playing by the "if it has nothing to do with your country then keep out of it" rule then it's a great idea to establish this now before the 2024 US elections, ideally before the upcoming midterms as well. I'm fine with this development as long as we all agree to play by the same rules and remain consistent.
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    If these protests become an issue for American national security and strategic geopolitical interest then yes NATO should make preparations as in other flashpoints but for now the situation has not yet escalated to such a degree. The U.S. did not intervene during the coup attempt against Erdogan in Turkey in 2016 either.
    - adamrezich 5y ago
      my post had nothing to do with official government actions or interventions but with the rights of citizens of different countries to sympathize with and donate money to causes outside of their own country. we allowed our cities to burn and lives to be lost to violent summer protests that were funded in part by citizens of other countries. if the general sentiment is that we should not allow this any more, that would be fine with me, but only if such actions are applied equally and unilaterally. as far as I am aware, no lives have been lost nor businesses destroyed during the current events in Canada.
      - Apocryphon 5y ago
        Your comment evoked the current Ukraine crisis. What do the midterm or general elections in the United States have to do with American citizens sympathizing with and donating money to causes in other countries? That is not an issue that is on the ballot. At least foreign policy is something that is germane to those elections. This is a complete non sequitur.
        adamrezich 5y ago
- gruez 5y ago
  Agreed. The xinjiang intern- uhh... vocational education and training centers are an issue that that's specific to the internal affairs of China. The U.S. has long had a dominant power relationship with the rest of the world. The way that Americans have imposed their views on both sides of this internal conflict is both patronizing and deleterious to the self-determination of the Chinese people. It would be as suspect if one was to donate to the Shining Path, the Contras, the Medellín Cartel, or any other faction.
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    China is not located in the Americas, while Canada is. American geography education is indeed in a dire state.
    - gruez 5y ago
      1. I'm not sure how you got the impression that I implied china was located in the americans. My comment was specifically worded to not imply that. 2. Does america's influence on the world not exist? Why does your original claim of "Americans have imposed their views on both sides of this internal conflict is both patronizing and deleterious to the self-determination of the Canadian people" only apply if it's on the same continent? Is it better to impose your views on people half way across the world?
      - Apocryphon 5y ago
        America has long had a unique influence over the rest of the Americas while it did not on the rest of the world until very relatively in the postwar period. It also has not had a hegemonic influence on nations such as China, unlike it has had over Canada and most of the American continent. Historically, the United States had a relatively weak presence in China, while the European powers and Japan have had a far stronger hand there. Therefore the analogy to China is false, unless you were to claim that it was part of the Americas, which given the flagrant inaccuracy of your statement seemed to imply that it was made in earnest.
        5y ago
cjbgkagh 5y ago
"Ninety percent of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US" I think in many ways, geographically and culturally, they're closer to Americans than they are to each other. Not that Canadians see it that way.
- valarauko 5y ago
  I might suggest that Americans within 100 miles of the Northern border more closely resemble Canadians than they do their other compatriots.

ineedasername 5y ago

I don't think national disasters are in quite the same category of charitable giving.

Apocryphon 5y ago

These protests are a disruption specific to the internal affairs of Canada. The U.S. has long had a dominant power relationship with the rest of the continent. The way that Americans have imposed their views on both sides of this internal conflict is both patronizing and deleterious to the self-determination of the Canadian people. It would be as suspect if one was to donate to the Shining Path, the Contras, the Medellín Cartel, or any other faction.

beerandt 5y ago
>specific to the internal affairs of Canada. It's a Canada policy, but is specific to crossing the border from the US. "Specific to internal affairs" is a stretch at best. >Shining Path, the Contras, the Medellín Cartel, or any other faction. You forgot BLM.
- 8note 5y ago
  It's a matter of sovereignty who you let in and under what conditions. There are some treaty specifics, but as far as Americans are involved, it's those treaties, and you're free to renegotiate them
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  BLM is based in the United States, so that reference would not make sense unless you are talking about funding crossing state lines. > It's a Canada policy, but is specific to crossing the border from the US. Up until the blockade of the border, it was an internal matter entirely, but you are correct here. If the border situation escalates, then the OAS needs to get involved to mediate a ceasefire and ensure that free and fair elections can take place.
  - beerandt 5y ago
    Canada and international donations to blm is.
    - Apocryphon 5y ago
      Are you alleging that the Logan Act has been violated? That is a serious accusation.
adamrezich 5y ago
if we're gonna start playing by the "if it has nothing to do with your country then keep out of it" rule then it's a great idea to establish this now before the 2024 US elections, ideally before the upcoming midterms as well. I'm fine with this development as long as we all agree to play by the same rules and remain consistent.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  If these protests become an issue for American national security and strategic geopolitical interest then yes NATO should make preparations as in other flashpoints but for now the situation has not yet escalated to such a degree. The U.S. did not intervene during the coup attempt against Erdogan in Turkey in 2016 either.
  - adamrezich 5y ago
    my post had nothing to do with official government actions or interventions but with the rights of citizens of different countries to sympathize with and donate money to causes outside of their own country. we allowed our cities to burn and lives to be lost to violent summer protests that were funded in part by citizens of other countries. if the general sentiment is that we should not allow this any more, that would be fine with me, but only if such actions are applied equally and unilaterally. as far as I am aware, no lives have been lost nor businesses destroyed during the current events in Canada.
    - Apocryphon 5y ago
      Your comment evoked the current Ukraine crisis. What do the midterm or general elections in the United States have to do with American citizens sympathizing with and donating money to causes in other countries? That is not an issue that is on the ballot. At least foreign policy is something that is germane to those elections. This is a complete non sequitur.
      - adamrezich 5y ago
gruez 5y ago
Agreed. The xinjiang intern- uhh... vocational education and training centers are an issue that that's specific to the internal affairs of China. The U.S. has long had a dominant power relationship with the rest of the world. The way that Americans have imposed their views on both sides of this internal conflict is both patronizing and deleterious to the self-determination of the Chinese people. It would be as suspect if one was to donate to the Shining Path, the Contras, the Medellín Cartel, or any other faction.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  China is not located in the Americas, while Canada is. American geography education is indeed in a dire state.
  - gruez 5y ago
    1. I'm not sure how you got the impression that I implied china was located in the americans. My comment was specifically worded to not imply that. 2. Does america's influence on the world not exist? Why does your original claim of "Americans have imposed their views on both sides of this internal conflict is both patronizing and deleterious to the self-determination of the Canadian people" only apply if it's on the same continent? Is it better to impose your views on people half way across the world?
    - Apocryphon 5y ago
      America has long had a unique influence over the rest of the Americas while it did not on the rest of the world until very relatively in the postwar period. It also has not had a hegemonic influence on nations such as China, unlike it has had over Canada and most of the American continent. Historically, the United States had a relatively weak presence in China, while the European powers and Japan have had a far stronger hand there. Therefore the analogy to China is false, unless you were to claim that it was part of the Americas, which given the flagrant inaccuracy of your statement seemed to imply that it was made in earnest.
      - 5y ago

cjbgkagh 5y ago

"Ninety percent of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US" I think in many ways, geographically and culturally, they're closer to Americans than they are to each other. Not that Canadians see it that way.

valarauko 5y ago
I might suggest that Americans within 100 miles of the Northern border more closely resemble Canadians than they do their other compatriots.