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If you're going to attack "media mischaracterizations" let's be truthful. > but because white collar, work-at-home employees are mildly inconvenienced for a we

If you're going to attack "media mischaracterizations" let's be truthful. > but because white collar, work-at-home employees are mildly inconvenienced for a week, they're advocating police action against them and calling it an insurrection. "Mildly inconvenienced" is an interesting term for shutting down a border crossing that handles $350 million in trade per day. "Mildly inconvenienced" is an interesting term for residents having to put up with medically unsafe volumes of horn honking all throughout the nights. Some had brought train horns and were blaring those. We're "calling it an insurrection" because that is a stated objective of the organizers, to overthrow the elected government of Canada. The fact that this is being encouraged and funded in large part by Americans is frankly, while unsurprising, an overtly hostile act being done to an ally.

tagoregrtst 5y ago
Some of us remember the “mostly peaceful” characterization by CNN of the protests in Kenosha. We also remember the blockade of the rail in Canada. We’re also not impressed by the pleas by inconvenienced government bureaucrats who couldn't be bothered to investigate the arson of 40 places of worship in Canada.
echelon 5y ago
> We're "calling it an insurrection" because that is a stated objective of the organizers, to overthrow the elected government of Canada. I'm liberal, but the far left jumping to call protests an act of "insurrection" makes me want to warn you that this is an extreme characterization that will only further polarize us. We have to stop this nonsense. It's like when those on the far left call for an end of free speech. The pendulum has swung completely for these folks. It's not a good idea to perpetuate or associate with these leanings. Protests on both sides, while kept nonviolent, are a good and healthy mechanism to diffuse pent up anger, air grievances, and open new channels of dialogue.
- peeters 5y ago
  You're ignoring what I wrote entirely. We're not calling it an insurrection because it's a protest. We're calling it an insurrection because it's a protest with the express stated goal of overthrowing the democratically elected government.
  - hammock 5y ago
    Play that out. How will it happen?
    - jjulius 5y ago
      Not OP, not taking sides, but the "how" of it playing out is irrelevant if the stated intent is to overthrow a government.
      - echelon 5y ago
        Every political compass direction has these elements. They're fringe. This issue is about dialogue with constituents. Meanwhile there are dozens of more pressing matters that actually deserve serious attention. Ukraine, EARN IT (US for now, but it'll go global), etc.
  - cjbgkagh 5y ago
    I haven't followed very closely so perhaps I missed it, but is there a source on that? Only thing I can find is the reporting on Jagmeet Singh comments who is opposed to the truckers.
    - monkeybutton 5y ago
      https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/trucker-convoy-organizers-coalition-proposal-a-non-starter-expert-says-1.5773297 https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/trucker-convoy-organi...
    - peeters 5y ago
      The Wikipedia article is probably your best bet for a summary of factual information at this point. > One of the main organizers behind the convoy, Canada Unity (CU), acknowledged that they had planned to submit their signed "memorandum of understanding" (MoU) to the Senate of Canada and Governor General Mary Simon, described in the MoU as the "SCGGC". The MoU which was signed by James and Sandra Bauder and Martin Brodmann, was posted on the Canada Unity website in mid-December 2021 and publicly available until its February 8 retraction. (...) CTV cited Bauder saying that he hoped the signed MoU would convince Elections Canada to trigger an election, which is not constitutionally possible. In this pseudolegal document, CU called on the "SCGGC" to cease all vaccine mandates, reemploy all employees terminated due to vaccination status, and rescind all fines imposed for non-compliance with public health orders. If this failed, the MoU called on the "SCGGC" to dissolve the government, and name members of the CU to form a Canadian Citizens Committee (CCC), which is beyond the constitutional powers of either the Governor General or the Senate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Convoy_2022#Protest_goals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Convoy_2022#Protest_go...
- monkeybutton 5y ago
  Why is it a far left position to call out what protest leaders stated in their memorandum of understanding?
  - echelon 5y ago
    Because that's not reality. No democracy is going to be overthrown. It's an extreme characterization, and it's wearing down our ability to fight the actual important battles [1]. You can say that there are radical elements within the protest that are anti-Canadian, white supremacist, etc., but to throw around the term insurrection so lightly and characterize the whole movement that way draws very harsh lines that are hard to walk back. I guarantee that you'll find friends and allies on both sides of most issues, yet we're worked up to the point that we're ready to start jailing one another. The far left are crying wolf way too loudly and often, and it's going to bite come election time. The moderates are not going to listen anymore. [1] Surveillance and freedom of speech, EARN IT Act, algorithmic manipulation, etc.
    - monkeybutton 5y ago
      I agree that is unlikely for them to succeed. But just because a demand is futile doesn't mean it wasn't made.
  - brnaftr361 5y ago
    Here's how the MoU actually reads: "Give us our shit back, Randy." "No." "Fuck right off, Randy."
- defaultname 5y ago
  "Far left"? I'm a conservative. Most normal conservatives are vigorously against these protests, for exactly the same reason that we were against railway blockades, and against violence and mayhem that occurred under the umbrella of BLM protests. I am simply in awe that so many of the same people that were viciously against BLM protests are supporters of this protest. Regardless, the literal stated goal of the organizers of this convoy was that the convoy would not leave until the government resign en masse and that the governor general basically decree this protest group the government. That is a textbook insurrection. This memorandum was replaced on February 8th because it was so fantastically treasonous that as it gained wider attention it became unpalatable. So yes, when people say insurrection, they are absolutely correct. It isn't the "far left" pointing out that fact. Just as it isn't the "far left" who point out that two of the primary organizers are a long time white supremacist, and the other is a literal separatist who has long petitioned that Western Canada should join the US.
  - echelon 5y ago
    My point is you can't call this an insurrection without shifting the Overton window. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any appreciable number of people are actually trying to overthrow Canada. We're polarizing everything to the point we can't focus on the topics that matter. We'll forget about this in a matter of years, yet our ears and minds will be deafened.
    - BitwiseFool 5y ago
      I see it as wanton hyperbole. Demanding members of the government resign does not an insurrection make. Especially if you sincerely think they have abused their powers and have infringed on human rights.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    > I am simply in awe that so many of the same people that were viciously against BLM protests are supporters of this protest Where do you think that hypocrisy comes from? I'm across the pond so very far from the action, but I'm very curious how people reason about this.
good8675309 5y ago
The definition of an insurrection is "a violent uprising against an authority or government." Where is the violence? I'm seeing people dancing and enjoying themselves. So much joy. It's like a big festival. People are helping each other and coming together. I see families and food banks being filled, trash cleaned up. Please post videos of all the violence. Btw, you can see an endless feed of the types of events I've described on Youtube. The only violent act I saw was a confirmed antifa member running over civilians.
- peeters 5y ago
  I don't believe there has been a level of violence that has been concerning or comparable to other protests. There has been the usual behaviour you see in these protests, including harassment of people wearing masks, healthcare workers, businesses, etc. A small amount of riot-associated behaviour like breaking windows of businesses. It has largely been peaceful. Overt violence isn't necessary to the definition of insurrection. Here are some other definitions I found: - "an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government" - "a usually violent attempt to take control of a government" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurrection https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurrection
  - _-david-_ 5y ago
    >an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government Which protest does not meet that criteria?
    - peeters 5y ago
      Most? You can protest against a government while still acknowledging its legitimacy.
      - _-david-_ 5y ago
        I don't think the truckers are trying to say that the government is illegitimate though? They are saying the mandate laws are illegitimate.
powerslacker 5y ago
Not an insurrection. Not trying to overthrow the government. Not illegal to send money to people you like or across borders. Not an overtly hostile act. Truckers have rights too.
gruez 5y ago
>"Mildly inconvenienced" is an interesting term for residents having to put up with medically unsafe volumes of horn honking all throughout the nights. Some had brought train horns and were blaring those. I think "loud but mostly peaceful protests" is an apt description. https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/035/101/CNN_Mostly_Peaceful_Protests_Banner.jpg https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/035/101/CNN...
larryflint 5y ago
- dang 5y ago
  We've banned this account for breaking the site guidelines. You can't post like this here. Moreover, it's not in your interests to post like this here, because all it does is discredit the position you're arguing for—a bad trade for a little momentary venting. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
jazzyk 5y ago
> to overthrow the elected government of Canada This is a serious claim, and one that I have not seen coming from the protesters (they want an end to the Covid mandates, from what I can tell) . Can you please provide the source for your allegation?
- peeters 5y ago
  As commented elsewhere > One of the main organizers behind the convoy, Canada Unity (CU), acknowledged that they had planned to submit their signed "memorandum of understanding" (MoU) to the Senate of Canada and Governor General Mary Simon, described in the MoU as the "SCGGC". The MoU which was signed by James and Sandra Bauder and Martin Brodmann, was posted on the Canada Unity website in mid-December 2021 and publicly available until its February 8 retraction. Bauder, whose name is at the top of a CTV News' list of "major players" in the convoy, is the founder of Canada Unity. CTV cited Bauder saying that he hoped the signed MoU would convince Elections Canada to trigger an election, which is not constitutionally possible. In this pseudolegal document, CU called on the "SCGGC" to cease all vaccine mandates, reemploy all employees terminated due to vaccination status, and rescind all fines imposed for non-compliance with public health orders. If this failed, the MoU called on the "SCGGC" to dissolve the government, and name members of the CU to form a Canadian Citizens Committee (CCC), which is beyond the constitutional powers of either the Governor General or the Senate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Convoy_2022#Protest_goals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Convoy_2022#Protest_go...
  - talentedcoin 5y ago
    No idea why this is being downvoted. This is the PROBLEM, people. Many Canadians support removing mandates but very few of us support removing the government through extra-legal mumbo-jumbo. We just had an election in Canada a few months ago and mandates were very much an issue that was debated and discussed.
  - jazzyk 5y ago
    So they tried to "overthrow the government" by filing a petition to call for early elections? That's quite a stretch...
inter_netuser 5y ago
Medically unsafe volumes claim has not been substantiated with any real evidence, and quite frankly absolutely false at first glance because the driver located right next to the horn would have permanently ringing ears by now. There is however evidence of many false claims, later walked back, just like the assault at the shelter, which as it turns out, was: 1) verbal assault 2) did not involve anyone from the convoy. Conveniently that claim was spread by a charity mostly funded by the City of Ottawa (10mil), of which 9 mil goes to salaries and only 450k to groceries and 850k to programs. Disgusting. As for the residents of ottawa, living in the nation capital, and not expecting boisterous protests is plain privledge and entitlement. That’s what you see in the mirror every morning: privilege and entitlement. Calling a strike an insurrection is an insult to millions in Canada who have fled actual wars. It’s also an insult to every socialist that supports the right of workers to organize and strike, that you want to now shutdown with martial law. Disgusting. Oh, truckers can find another job if they don’t like the jab? So you can move to another city too. Just like the jab, nobody forces you to live in Ottawa, it was YOUR. CHOICE.
- dang 5y ago
  Please don't cross into the flamewar style like this. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. You can make your substantive points without that. We want curious conversation here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you've been doing this in other threads too (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30333616 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30333616). Could you please not? Here's an old line from PG, which I love, that expresses what we actually want here: Comments should be written in the spirit of colleagues cooperating in good faith to figure out the truth about something, not politicians trying to ridicule and misrepresent the other side.
  - newbie789 5y ago
sleepingadmin 5y ago
>"Mildly inconvenienced" is an interesting term for shutting down a border crossing that handles $350 million in trade per day. One lane of the bridge was open and the Detroit tunnel had absolutely no blockade. This is a mild inconvenience. Protests are inconvenient to be sure. If the media you consume portrayed this as if there was no traffic at all between detroit and windsor... time for you to look to new media. I am curious where you have gotten this idea? CBC? Some other 'government accredited media'? https://www.post-gazette.com/news/nation/2022/02/12/Detroit-Windsor-Tunnel-offers-drivers-smooth-travel-option-during-blockade/stories/202202120051 https://www.post-gazette.com/news/nation/2022/02/12/Detroit-... >"Mildly inconvenienced" is an interesting term for residents having to put up with medically unsafe volumes of horn honking all throughout the nights. Some had brought train horns and were blaring those. Ottawa has a population of 1 million and their downtown area will always have honking. Like you know... every other downtown area of a large capital city. Calling this 'medically unsafe' is quite a stretch. Our homes are quite insulated here in Canada given the cold. The same insulation reduces road noise a lot. If you cant sleep because of road noise downtown... move because that happens year round. >We're "calling it an insurrection" because that is a stated objective of the organizers, to overthrow the elected government of Canada. The fact that this is being encouraged and funded in large part by Americans is frankly, while unsurprising, an overtly hostile act being done to an ally. No, that's just not in touch with reality at all. Parking large trucks on roads and having a peaceful protest is not an insurrection. There was absolutely no 'otherthrow the elected government of canada' that's a complete fantasy. They haven't once entered buildings or drawn weapons against anyone or anything. I highly recommend you consume different media because you are not even in the ballpark here.
- msie 5y ago
  > Ottawa has a population of 1 million and their downtown area will always have honking. Like you know... every other downtown area of a large capital city. Calling this 'medically unsafe' is quite a stretch. Our homes are quite insulated here in Canada given the cold. The same insulation reduces road noise a lot. If you cant sleep because of road noise downtown... move because that happens year round. I've had honking in Downtown Vancouver from a group supporting the convoy and it certainly does not resemble the usual city noise. If it was horrible for the couple hours I experienced then it must have been hell for those Ottawa citizens when it went on for days.
jollybean 5y ago
If these people are an 'insurrection' then BLM protests during which 25++ people died, was 'seditions rebellion'. [1] The 'truckers convoy' is completely within the normal framework or populist protest, this is not new, it's common. Farmers used to bring in their tractors to do this. The people at the border were moved. The people in Ottawa are concentrated downtown, mostly not near housing, and I believe the honking has ben curtailed. They are now camping out and dancing to The Macarena. In Portland, an entire section of the city was taken over by armed bandits threatening violence, not letting Police or emergency services in, two people died, people's rights were very seriously curtailed. Now that was a hard problem to solve. At this point we just have a bunch of angry people in trucks downtown, that's mostly it. It will eventually peter out and they will go home ... [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-kill...

tagoregrtst 5y ago

Some of us remember the “mostly peaceful” characterization by CNN of the protests in Kenosha. We also remember the blockade of the rail in Canada. We’re also not impressed by the pleas by inconvenienced government bureaucrats who couldn't be bothered to investigate the arson of 40 places of worship in Canada.

echelon 5y ago

> We're "calling it an insurrection" because that is a stated objective of the organizers, to overthrow the elected government of Canada. I'm liberal, but the far left jumping to call protests an act of "insurrection" makes me want to warn you that this is an extreme characterization that will only further polarize us. We have to stop this nonsense. It's like when those on the far left call for an end of free speech. The pendulum has swung completely for these folks. It's not a good idea to perpetuate or associate with these leanings. Protests on both sides, while kept nonviolent, are a good and healthy mechanism to diffuse pent up anger, air grievances, and open new channels of dialogue.

peeters 5y ago
You're ignoring what I wrote entirely. We're not calling it an insurrection because it's a protest. We're calling it an insurrection because it's a protest with the express stated goal of overthrowing the democratically elected government.
- hammock 5y ago
  Play that out. How will it happen?
  - jjulius 5y ago
    Not OP, not taking sides, but the "how" of it playing out is irrelevant if the stated intent is to overthrow a government.
    - echelon 5y ago
      Every political compass direction has these elements. They're fringe. This issue is about dialogue with constituents. Meanwhile there are dozens of more pressing matters that actually deserve serious attention. Ukraine, EARN IT (US for now, but it'll go global), etc.
- cjbgkagh 5y ago
  I haven't followed very closely so perhaps I missed it, but is there a source on that? Only thing I can find is the reporting on Jagmeet Singh comments who is opposed to the truckers.
  - monkeybutton 5y ago
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/trucker-convoy-organizers-coalition-proposal-a-non-starter-expert-says-1.5773297 https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/trucker-convoy-organi...
  - peeters 5y ago
    The Wikipedia article is probably your best bet for a summary of factual information at this point. > One of the main organizers behind the convoy, Canada Unity (CU), acknowledged that they had planned to submit their signed "memorandum of understanding" (MoU) to the Senate of Canada and Governor General Mary Simon, described in the MoU as the "SCGGC". The MoU which was signed by James and Sandra Bauder and Martin Brodmann, was posted on the Canada Unity website in mid-December 2021 and publicly available until its February 8 retraction. (...) CTV cited Bauder saying that he hoped the signed MoU would convince Elections Canada to trigger an election, which is not constitutionally possible. In this pseudolegal document, CU called on the "SCGGC" to cease all vaccine mandates, reemploy all employees terminated due to vaccination status, and rescind all fines imposed for non-compliance with public health orders. If this failed, the MoU called on the "SCGGC" to dissolve the government, and name members of the CU to form a Canadian Citizens Committee (CCC), which is beyond the constitutional powers of either the Governor General or the Senate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Convoy_2022#Protest_goals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Convoy_2022#Protest_go...
monkeybutton 5y ago
Why is it a far left position to call out what protest leaders stated in their memorandum of understanding?
- echelon 5y ago
  Because that's not reality. No democracy is going to be overthrown. It's an extreme characterization, and it's wearing down our ability to fight the actual important battles [1]. You can say that there are radical elements within the protest that are anti-Canadian, white supremacist, etc., but to throw around the term insurrection so lightly and characterize the whole movement that way draws very harsh lines that are hard to walk back. I guarantee that you'll find friends and allies on both sides of most issues, yet we're worked up to the point that we're ready to start jailing one another. The far left are crying wolf way too loudly and often, and it's going to bite come election time. The moderates are not going to listen anymore. [1] Surveillance and freedom of speech, EARN IT Act, algorithmic manipulation, etc.
  - monkeybutton 5y ago
    I agree that is unlikely for them to succeed. But just because a demand is futile doesn't mean it wasn't made.
- brnaftr361 5y ago
  Here's how the MoU actually reads: "Give us our shit back, Randy." "No." "Fuck right off, Randy."
defaultname 5y ago
"Far left"? I'm a conservative. Most normal conservatives are vigorously against these protests, for exactly the same reason that we were against railway blockades, and against violence and mayhem that occurred under the umbrella of BLM protests. I am simply in awe that so many of the same people that were viciously against BLM protests are supporters of this protest. Regardless, the literal stated goal of the organizers of this convoy was that the convoy would not leave until the government resign en masse and that the governor general basically decree this protest group the government. That is a textbook insurrection. This memorandum was replaced on February 8th because it was so fantastically treasonous that as it gained wider attention it became unpalatable. So yes, when people say insurrection, they are absolutely correct. It isn't the "far left" pointing out that fact. Just as it isn't the "far left" who point out that two of the primary organizers are a long time white supremacist, and the other is a literal separatist who has long petitioned that Western Canada should join the US.
- echelon 5y ago
  My point is you can't call this an insurrection without shifting the Overton window. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any appreciable number of people are actually trying to overthrow Canada. We're polarizing everything to the point we can't focus on the topics that matter. We'll forget about this in a matter of years, yet our ears and minds will be deafened.
  - BitwiseFool 5y ago
    I see it as wanton hyperbole. Demanding members of the government resign does not an insurrection make. Especially if you sincerely think they have abused their powers and have infringed on human rights.
- sofixa 5y ago
  > I am simply in awe that so many of the same people that were viciously against BLM protests are supporters of this protest Where do you think that hypocrisy comes from? I'm across the pond so very far from the action, but I'm very curious how people reason about this.

good8675309 5y ago

The definition of an insurrection is "a violent uprising against an authority or government." Where is the violence? I'm seeing people dancing and enjoying themselves. So much joy. It's like a big festival. People are helping each other and coming together. I see families and food banks being filled, trash cleaned up. Please post videos of all the violence. Btw, you can see an endless feed of the types of events I've described on Youtube. The only violent act I saw was a confirmed antifa member running over civilians.

peeters 5y ago
I don't believe there has been a level of violence that has been concerning or comparable to other protests. There has been the usual behaviour you see in these protests, including harassment of people wearing masks, healthcare workers, businesses, etc. A small amount of riot-associated behaviour like breaking windows of businesses. It has largely been peaceful. Overt violence isn't necessary to the definition of insurrection. Here are some other definitions I found: - "an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government" - "a usually violent attempt to take control of a government" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurrection https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurrection
- _-david-_ 5y ago
  >an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government Which protest does not meet that criteria?
  - peeters 5y ago
    Most? You can protest against a government while still acknowledging its legitimacy.
    - _-david-_ 5y ago
      I don't think the truckers are trying to say that the government is illegitimate though? They are saying the mandate laws are illegitimate.

powerslacker 5y ago

Not an insurrection. Not trying to overthrow the government. Not illegal to send money to people you like or across borders. Not an overtly hostile act. Truckers have rights too.

gruez 5y ago

>"Mildly inconvenienced" is an interesting term for residents having to put up with medically unsafe volumes of horn honking all throughout the nights. Some had brought train horns and were blaring those. I think "loud but mostly peaceful protests" is an apt description. https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/035/101/CNN_Mostly_Peaceful_Protests_Banner.jpg https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/035/101/CNN...

larryflint 5y ago

dang 5y ago
We've banned this account for breaking the site guidelines. You can't post like this here. Moreover, it's not in your interests to post like this here, because all it does is discredit the position you're arguing for—a bad trade for a little momentary venting. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

jazzyk 5y ago

> to overthrow the elected government of Canada This is a serious claim, and one that I have not seen coming from the protesters (they want an end to the Covid mandates, from what I can tell) . Can you please provide the source for your allegation?

peeters 5y ago
As commented elsewhere > One of the main organizers behind the convoy, Canada Unity (CU), acknowledged that they had planned to submit their signed "memorandum of understanding" (MoU) to the Senate of Canada and Governor General Mary Simon, described in the MoU as the "SCGGC". The MoU which was signed by James and Sandra Bauder and Martin Brodmann, was posted on the Canada Unity website in mid-December 2021 and publicly available until its February 8 retraction. Bauder, whose name is at the top of a CTV News' list of "major players" in the convoy, is the founder of Canada Unity. CTV cited Bauder saying that he hoped the signed MoU would convince Elections Canada to trigger an election, which is not constitutionally possible. In this pseudolegal document, CU called on the "SCGGC" to cease all vaccine mandates, reemploy all employees terminated due to vaccination status, and rescind all fines imposed for non-compliance with public health orders. If this failed, the MoU called on the "SCGGC" to dissolve the government, and name members of the CU to form a Canadian Citizens Committee (CCC), which is beyond the constitutional powers of either the Governor General or the Senate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Convoy_2022#Protest_goals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Convoy_2022#Protest_go...
- talentedcoin 5y ago
  No idea why this is being downvoted. This is the PROBLEM, people. Many Canadians support removing mandates but very few of us support removing the government through extra-legal mumbo-jumbo. We just had an election in Canada a few months ago and mandates were very much an issue that was debated and discussed.
- jazzyk 5y ago
  So they tried to "overthrow the government" by filing a petition to call for early elections? That's quite a stretch...

inter_netuser 5y ago

Medically unsafe volumes claim has not been substantiated with any real evidence, and quite frankly absolutely false at first glance because the driver located right next to the horn would have permanently ringing ears by now. There is however evidence of many false claims, later walked back, just like the assault at the shelter, which as it turns out, was: 1) verbal assault 2) did not involve anyone from the convoy. Conveniently that claim was spread by a charity mostly funded by the City of Ottawa (10mil), of which 9 mil goes to salaries and only 450k to groceries and 850k to programs. Disgusting. As for the residents of ottawa, living in the nation capital, and not expecting boisterous protests is plain privledge and entitlement. That’s what you see in the mirror every morning: privilege and entitlement. Calling a strike an insurrection is an insult to millions in Canada who have fled actual wars. It’s also an insult to every socialist that supports the right of workers to organize and strike, that you want to now shutdown with martial law. Disgusting. Oh, truckers can find another job if they don’t like the jab? So you can move to another city too. Just like the jab, nobody forces you to live in Ottawa, it was YOUR. CHOICE.

dang 5y ago
Please don't cross into the flamewar style like this. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. You can make your substantive points without that. We want curious conversation here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you've been doing this in other threads too (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30333616 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30333616). Could you please not? Here's an old line from PG, which I love, that expresses what we actually want here: Comments should be written in the spirit of colleagues cooperating in good faith to figure out the truth about something, not politicians trying to ridicule and misrepresent the other side.
- newbie789 5y ago

sleepingadmin 5y ago

>"Mildly inconvenienced" is an interesting term for shutting down a border crossing that handles $350 million in trade per day. One lane of the bridge was open and the Detroit tunnel had absolutely no blockade. This is a mild inconvenience. Protests are inconvenient to be sure. If the media you consume portrayed this as if there was no traffic at all between detroit and windsor... time for you to look to new media. I am curious where you have gotten this idea? CBC? Some other 'government accredited media'? https://www.post-gazette.com/news/nation/2022/02/12/Detroit-Windsor-Tunnel-offers-drivers-smooth-travel-option-during-blockade/stories/202202120051 https://www.post-gazette.com/news/nation/2022/02/12/Detroit-... >"Mildly inconvenienced" is an interesting term for residents having to put up with medically unsafe volumes of horn honking all throughout the nights. Some had brought train horns and were blaring those. Ottawa has a population of 1 million and their downtown area will always have honking. Like you know... every other downtown area of a large capital city. Calling this 'medically unsafe' is quite a stretch. Our homes are quite insulated here in Canada given the cold. The same insulation reduces road noise a lot. If you cant sleep because of road noise downtown... move because that happens year round. >We're "calling it an insurrection" because that is a stated objective of the organizers, to overthrow the elected government of Canada. The fact that this is being encouraged and funded in large part by Americans is frankly, while unsurprising, an overtly hostile act being done to an ally. No, that's just not in touch with reality at all. Parking large trucks on roads and having a peaceful protest is not an insurrection. There was absolutely no 'otherthrow the elected government of canada' that's a complete fantasy. They haven't once entered buildings or drawn weapons against anyone or anything. I highly recommend you consume different media because you are not even in the ballpark here.

msie 5y ago
> Ottawa has a population of 1 million and their downtown area will always have honking. Like you know... every other downtown area of a large capital city. Calling this 'medically unsafe' is quite a stretch. Our homes are quite insulated here in Canada given the cold. The same insulation reduces road noise a lot. If you cant sleep because of road noise downtown... move because that happens year round. I've had honking in Downtown Vancouver from a group supporting the convoy and it certainly does not resemble the usual city noise. If it was horrible for the couple hours I experienced then it must have been hell for those Ottawa citizens when it went on for days.

jollybean 5y ago

If these people are an 'insurrection' then BLM protests during which 25++ people died, was 'seditions rebellion'. [1] The 'truckers convoy' is completely within the normal framework or populist protest, this is not new, it's common. Farmers used to bring in their tractors to do this. The people at the border were moved. The people in Ottawa are concentrated downtown, mostly not near housing, and I believe the honking has ben curtailed. They are now camping out and dancing to The Macarena. In Portland, an entire section of the city was taken over by armed bandits threatening violence, not letting Police or emergency services in, two people died, people's rights were very seriously curtailed. Now that was a hard problem to solve. At this point we just have a bunch of angry people in trucks downtown, that's mostly it. It will eventually peter out and they will go home ... [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-kill...