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Unpopular with wealthier people who are inconvenienced, very popular amongst what the media like to call 'populists' - ie the people who deliver the rich people

Unpopular with wealthier people who are inconvenienced, very popular amongst what the media like to call 'populists' - ie the people who deliver the rich people's chattels

mrtesthah 5y ago
"The People are on our side!" "Everyone against us is against The People!" Hmm, where I have heard that rhetoric before...
- MomoXenosaga 5y ago
  This one? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_de_lib%C3%A9ration_du_Qu%C3%A9bec https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_de_lib%C3%A9ration_du_... The claim can be proven or disproven with elections. But I think that Trudeau would win rather easily pitted against this extremist, apparently foreign funded fringe. Even Canada's conservatives don't want to be associated with them anymore.
  - inter_netuser 5y ago
    Conservatives are tabling a motion for a vote on removal of restrictions today. They’ve just performatively asked truckers to leave, so that they can always point to that later in their election campaign. Why would they want them to leave?they don’t.
    - adra 5y ago
      I'm not a conservative mind you, but if your goal is to eventually get elected, you probably want to win on topics that will actually gain you votes vs. those that take them away. This is a wedge issue, and as such they're casting their votes to alienate a huge (likely majority) of voters away from your platform before the leader has even been selected. Secondly, this protest has been a huge news vacuum attracting non-stop coverage. This is bad for a party that needs to drum up any support for a leadership race to carry them more seats in the next election. By the time this plays out, the conservatives could be half way through their election and most Canadians may not even know the candidates.
      - mywittyname 5y ago
        We all know that elected officials rarely get elected based on what they've actually done. They get elected by parroting the empty promises their party bosses tell them too. Plus, politicians who do vote against their constituents' wishes can run in a district that's more friendly to that vote.
acdha 5y ago
Do you have a citation on that claim? For example, it seems like they're on the wrong side by a large factor on things like vaccine mandates: https://theconversation.com/majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-freedom-convoy-on-vaccine-mandates-and-lockdowns-176323 https://theconversation.com/majority-of-canadians-disagree-w... It also seems unlikely that, say, the workers at factories who were prevented from working are rich people…
- armagon 5y ago
  https://angusreid.org/omicron-incidence-restrictions/ https://angusreid.org/omicron-incidence-restrictions/ - scroll down to "Part Four: What now? Majority want restrictions to end"; 54% of Canadians want the mandates to end. OTOH, this poll https://abacusdata.ca/ottawa-survey-freedom-convoy/ https://abacusdata.ca/ottawa-survey-freedom-convoy/ suggests that about 22% of Canadians support the convoy and 67% don't.
  - synthos 5y ago
    It's all down to how a poll accurately frames a question: Do people like restrictions? No, nobody likes restrictions. Do people like restrictions that save lives? Still don't 'like' them but believe sacrifice is necessary for the greater good. Do I support people's right to protest? Yes, but... You can't honk all night Block major infrastructure for days Desecrate war monuments Flood 911 with fake calls Etc.
    - gruez 5y ago
      >Do I support people's right to protest? Yes, but... You can't honk all night Block major infrastructure for days Desecrate war monuments Flood 911 with fake calls I suspect how much people support "people's right to protest" is directly proportional to how much they support The Cause. If they don't support The Cause, they want protesters to be as out of the way as possible (ie. "free speech zones"). If they do support The Cause, anything up to and including violence/vandalism is justified, because a few causalities would be canceled out by all the positive effects that The Cause would bring.
    - 5y ago
bawolff 5y ago
Wealthy people are fine. They are mostly screwing over the working class.
iso1631 5y ago
Maru polls show very little difference between income levels. Of all the different demographics, the one with the most support for the goals and means of the truckers is Alberta residents, where about 1 in 3 support them and their means, and 1 in 2 don't support them at all

Unpopular with wealthier people who are inconvenienced, very popular amongst what the media like to call 'populists' - ie the people who deliver the rich people's chattels

mrtesthah 5y ago

"The People are on our side!" "Everyone against us is against The People!" Hmm, where I have heard that rhetoric before...

MomoXenosaga 5y ago
This one? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_de_lib%C3%A9ration_du_Qu%C3%A9bec https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_de_lib%C3%A9ration_du_... The claim can be proven or disproven with elections. But I think that Trudeau would win rather easily pitted against this extremist, apparently foreign funded fringe. Even Canada's conservatives don't want to be associated with them anymore.
- inter_netuser 5y ago
  Conservatives are tabling a motion for a vote on removal of restrictions today. They’ve just performatively asked truckers to leave, so that they can always point to that later in their election campaign. Why would they want them to leave?they don’t.
  - adra 5y ago
    I'm not a conservative mind you, but if your goal is to eventually get elected, you probably want to win on topics that will actually gain you votes vs. those that take them away. This is a wedge issue, and as such they're casting their votes to alienate a huge (likely majority) of voters away from your platform before the leader has even been selected. Secondly, this protest has been a huge news vacuum attracting non-stop coverage. This is bad for a party that needs to drum up any support for a leadership race to carry them more seats in the next election. By the time this plays out, the conservatives could be half way through their election and most Canadians may not even know the candidates.
    - mywittyname 5y ago
      We all know that elected officials rarely get elected based on what they've actually done. They get elected by parroting the empty promises their party bosses tell them too. Plus, politicians who do vote against their constituents' wishes can run in a district that's more friendly to that vote.

acdha 5y ago

Do you have a citation on that claim? For example, it seems like they're on the wrong side by a large factor on things like vaccine mandates: https://theconversation.com/majority-of-canadians-disagree-with-freedom-convoy-on-vaccine-mandates-and-lockdowns-176323 https://theconversation.com/majority-of-canadians-disagree-w... It also seems unlikely that, say, the workers at factories who were prevented from working are rich people…

armagon 5y ago
https://angusreid.org/omicron-incidence-restrictions/ https://angusreid.org/omicron-incidence-restrictions/ - scroll down to "Part Four: What now? Majority want restrictions to end"; 54% of Canadians want the mandates to end. OTOH, this poll https://abacusdata.ca/ottawa-survey-freedom-convoy/ https://abacusdata.ca/ottawa-survey-freedom-convoy/ suggests that about 22% of Canadians support the convoy and 67% don't.
- synthos 5y ago
  It's all down to how a poll accurately frames a question: Do people like restrictions? No, nobody likes restrictions. Do people like restrictions that save lives? Still don't 'like' them but believe sacrifice is necessary for the greater good. Do I support people's right to protest? Yes, but... You can't honk all night Block major infrastructure for days Desecrate war monuments Flood 911 with fake calls Etc.
  - gruez 5y ago
    >Do I support people's right to protest? Yes, but... You can't honk all night Block major infrastructure for days Desecrate war monuments Flood 911 with fake calls I suspect how much people support "people's right to protest" is directly proportional to how much they support The Cause. If they don't support The Cause, they want protesters to be as out of the way as possible (ie. "free speech zones"). If they do support The Cause, anything up to and including violence/vandalism is justified, because a few causalities would be canceled out by all the positive effects that The Cause would bring.
  - 5y ago

bawolff 5y ago

Wealthy people are fine. They are mostly screwing over the working class.

iso1631 5y ago

Maru polls show very little difference between income levels. Of all the different demographics, the one with the most support for the goals and means of the truckers is Alberta residents, where about 1 in 3 support them and their means, and 1 in 2 don't support them at all