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>>what is required by an organization in a sensitive industry That really is not a factor, I have worked for a number of organizations that would never higher

by syshum 5y ago

>>what is required by an organization in a sensitive industry That really is not a factor, I have worked for a number of organizations that would never higher anyone convicted of a felony who did not have any sensitive requirements, were not dealing with money, or personal info, or anything important really There is just a huge stigma when it comes to criminal records, which is doubly painful in a over criminalized society like we have in the US.

notch656a 5y ago
I'm a huge believer that if people can't be trusted in society, they should be in jail, executed, or banished to someplace like Namibian desert / Siberia. A free man (after prison/probation) should be free; their conviction behind them and essentially erased. A free man can easily rape/murder/steal regardless of any BG check you put in place. If you're free, you have the full rights and priveleges of a free man including bearing guns or taking care of children or being CFO of a finance firm. Fuck any half-way system where you're released of all judicial punishment but you can't work, vote, or own a gun. THAT is cruel and unusual punishment.
- kuhewa 5y ago
  Why is it important that a convicted child abuser be free to take care of children once their punishment is over? There are plenty of other fields in which they could find employment.
  - notch656a 5y ago
    I don't believe in having multiple classes of free citizens. If a free person wants to, they could easily abduct a child, barring them from taking care of kids is a laughable feel-good policy that insults the notion that there should be no free second class citizen. If someone can't be trusted to not abuse children, they need to be jailed or on probation until they can be trusted. Those people can't be trusted in public. If they've abused children through rape of small children or serious violence against the weak, just execute the low life. Children are everywhere, the idea an abuser is just fine being tempted with children everywhere, from the street to playground, except they'll be nice and honest and use their real SSN and identity when applying to work with children is a hilarious notion. And frankly, unless proven otherwise, I assume sex convictions are something like pissing by the side of the road or a 19 year old banged their 16 y/o girlfriend. The government loves to imprison people for insane reasons and sex offender registry is a poor guide as to whether someone can be trusted with children.
    - Tepix 5y ago
      There is a huge grey area. Statistically, people who have committed a crime are more likely to commit crimes again than those who haven't. That makes for a good argument not to trust them as much, generally speaking. On the other hand, integrating them back into society (something that's lacking in the US) works well for most.
      - vodoohooo 5y ago
        would you rather have a criminal who has not been caught work that job or someone who paid for what they have done and is working to improve?
        hackerfromthefu 5y ago
        option c
        vodoohooo 5y ago
        and how do you know option c is not option a? lol
        hackerfromthefu 5y ago
        Its not possible to be sure! It just seemed the question was phrased in terms of those being the only options, when in fact they are the very rare options. It seems that mostly people you hire are not going to do serious criminal things, either before or after you hire them.
      - thatcat 5y ago
        That's a terrible analysis. I would bet that even the innocent people convicted of a crime are more liKely to commit a crime after and this speaks more to our poorly functioning justice system than the person convicted. Besides, statistically everyone is a criminal because the number of laws are uncountable and unknowable.
      - 5y ago

by syshum 5y ago

notch656a 5y ago

I'm a huge believer that if people can't be trusted in society, they should be in jail, executed, or banished to someplace like Namibian desert / Siberia. A free man (after prison/probation) should be free; their conviction behind them and essentially erased. A free man can easily rape/murder/steal regardless of any BG check you put in place. If you're free, you have the full rights and priveleges of a free man including bearing guns or taking care of children or being CFO of a finance firm. Fuck any half-way system where you're released of all judicial punishment but you can't work, vote, or own a gun. THAT is cruel and unusual punishment.

kuhewa 5y ago
Why is it important that a convicted child abuser be free to take care of children once their punishment is over? There are plenty of other fields in which they could find employment.
- notch656a 5y ago
  I don't believe in having multiple classes of free citizens. If a free person wants to, they could easily abduct a child, barring them from taking care of kids is a laughable feel-good policy that insults the notion that there should be no free second class citizen. If someone can't be trusted to not abuse children, they need to be jailed or on probation until they can be trusted. Those people can't be trusted in public. If they've abused children through rape of small children or serious violence against the weak, just execute the low life. Children are everywhere, the idea an abuser is just fine being tempted with children everywhere, from the street to playground, except they'll be nice and honest and use their real SSN and identity when applying to work with children is a hilarious notion. And frankly, unless proven otherwise, I assume sex convictions are something like pissing by the side of the road or a 19 year old banged their 16 y/o girlfriend. The government loves to imprison people for insane reasons and sex offender registry is a poor guide as to whether someone can be trusted with children.
  - Tepix 5y ago
    There is a huge grey area. Statistically, people who have committed a crime are more likely to commit crimes again than those who haven't. That makes for a good argument not to trust them as much, generally speaking. On the other hand, integrating them back into society (something that's lacking in the US) works well for most.
    - vodoohooo 5y ago
      would you rather have a criminal who has not been caught work that job or someone who paid for what they have done and is working to improve?
      - hackerfromthefu 5y ago
        option c
        vodoohooo 5y ago
        and how do you know option c is not option a? lol
        hackerfromthefu 5y ago
        Its not possible to be sure! It just seemed the question was phrased in terms of those being the only options, when in fact they are the very rare options. It seems that mostly people you hire are not going to do serious criminal things, either before or after you hire them.
    - thatcat 5y ago
      That's a terrible analysis. I would bet that even the innocent people convicted of a crime are more liKely to commit a crime after and this speaks more to our poorly functioning justice system than the person convicted. Besides, statistically everyone is a criminal because the number of laws are uncountable and unknowable.
    - 5y ago