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i have a 4 year old daughter in ontario who has never seen her friends faces or her teacher's face. she eats outside even when it's -20. as of today, no end in

i have a 4 year old daughter in ontario who has never seen her friends faces or her teacher's face. she eats outside even when it's -20. as of today, no end in sight for these rules. why? it's shameful. im surprised the civil unrest in canada isnt worse.

sequoia 5y ago
NB for people outside Ontario: this is very likely a made-up untrue story. If parent commenter provides some details substantiating this unusual circumstance, I apologize in advance. What school district? This is nothing like what I've seen in the Toronto schools which tend to be more cautious due to population density here. I'm willing to believe this isn't a made up story, but am interested in details as this is very different from what I've heard or seen in Ontario. Also why can't your child see their friend's faces outside of school? This is all quite confusing.
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tagoregrtst 5y ago
My buddy lives near Hamilton. The stuff his kids are going through is insane.
- purephase 5y ago
  Yeah, I have 5 nieces and nephews and friends with kids that live and around Hamilton. Tell me what they're going through that's insane. Don't just drop comments like this without backing up your assertions, because it's false. Is it ideal for the kids right now? Fuck no. None of us want this. But to sell the narrative that there's a whole class of parents/teachers/administrators who are not trying their goddamned hardest to make this as easy on kids as possible, while stradling the line of what's responsible during a pandemic, is just belittling all of the effort being done for no discernable purpose at all.
  - tagoregrtst 5y ago
    My oldest kid been going to in-class school since September 2020 [1]. Maskless since October 2021. She missed, in a year and a half, a total of two or three weeks of school. This is a blessing that my kid has received. I cant speak of your nieces. EDIT: [1] The year is correct, 2020.
908B64B197 5y ago
What? Covid is over. Everyone was unmasked yesterday at the Superbowl. I assume the premier's kids are going through the exact same restrictions. Socialized healthcare means you are all in this together right?
- dade_ 5y ago
  The premier's daughter is definitely unmasked, and an adult as calculated by age: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krista_Haynes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krista_Haynes https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-anti-vaccine-rants-from-doug-fords-daughter-are-now-a-matter-of/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-anti-vac...
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synthos 5y ago
So your daughter has remote learning or not? You can't make both arguments without clarifying. If she was remote learning she knows her teacher's face. If she isn't remote now she knows her teacher's face
- armagon 5y ago
  Presumably she goes to school in-person but everyone is wearing a mask.
synthos 5y ago
May I highlight this is your _very_ first comment on this website. Why did you suddenly decide to make an account and post your first comment here? Do you work in technology?
- xdennis 5y ago
  Because some people don't feel safe in the software industry to make comments under a username tied to their public identity when it comes to Covid (or other polarizing stuff). I've been on this website for about a decade, but this account I use now is only 10 months old.
  - bentlegen 5y ago
    The only article I could find about "kids eating outside in the cold" is this one, which clarifies that "no, we won't be sending kids outside in the cold"[1]. If you can find one, let me know. I am a parent in Ontario and I've not heard a single anecdote about this from anyone. Regarding "as of today, there is no end in sight for these rules": there has been a plan in place for months outlining the key dates when mandates will be relaxed. Just hours before OPs comment, the Ontario government announced they will be accelerating that schedule by 4 days, and the vaccine passport will be retired in just 2 weeks.[2] Your comments re: new accounts are fair, but given the above I don't believe there is any truth to OPs comment, so I personally believe the account is intentionally created to spread FUD about the pandemic response in Canada and to create sympathy towards the convoy and its arguments. [1] https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/furey-school-board-nixes-attempts-to-make-kids-eat-lunch-outdoors-in-winter https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/furey-school-board-ni... [2] https://globalnews.ca/news/8617879/ontario-covid-restrictions-masks-vaccine-passports-announcement-ford/ https://globalnews.ca/news/8617879/ontario-covid-restriction...
  - synthos 5y ago
    My comment or question was more rhetorical. There is a nigh-zero chance that the comment-OP responds to any of my questions or posts any more comments. I leave it to the reader to extrapolate why that is the case.
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boplicity 5y ago
My children in Ontario public schools eat inside -- always have. Strangely, when they eat, they even take off their masks and see the faces of their classmates. Even more strange, they see their classmates faces even with masks on, just a smaller portion of their faces. Today is quite cold, so they're not having outdoor recess at all. They're staying inside. Eating inside. Maybe your school district has different policies?
trhway 5y ago
In 1830 in Sebastopol it similarly took 2 years of pointless quarantine for people to rebel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol_plague_uprising https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol_plague_uprising The powers-to-be, civil and military, had great "business" going because of the quarantine by pillaging most of the funds the government provided for the city supplies (as the normal trade and supply was broken by the quarantine) while population was starving. The military doctors responsible for the quarantine received pay several folds higher than their usual pay. To maintain the supposed epidemic, ie. to generate sufficient number of deaths which were all chalked to plague even though in reality there weren't any plague cases, they for example forced people to sit in the sea in winter supposedly for public hygiene purposes, and naturally the malnourished population was getting ill and died in numbers. Anybody who showed any signs of any illness would be put into total quarantine into a hospital building with especially bad conditions which all but guaranteed the death.
purephase 5y ago
Unless there's some crazy school board out there, there's no way they have kids eating outside when it's -20. Most school boards won't even have outdoor recess on days like that. I have 11 nieces and nephews in 5 different school boards in Ontario, and not one of them has these restrictions. They eat indoors, they can take their masks off at lunch, and during gym class. Their teachers regularly post videos for students to watch, with their masks off, so that they can have that level of interaction with their students. We still do play dates with kids too. And birthday parties, where we can opt to go maskless if everyone is tested and comfortable with it.
- synthos 5y ago
  Thank you. Schoolboard don't risk lawsuit from freezing children. Parent post is pure misinformation from brand new account with, quite honestly, the most eyerolling 'Canadian' name someone thought of.
- suckmore 5y ago
  I don't live in Ontario and don't have kids, so I don't have any personal experience. This section of Joël Lightbound speech stood out to me though. It is regarding the apparent quarantine measures in Quebec. I can't substantiate it, so maybe it is completely sensationalized. >In Quebec in January 22, we've locked up kids aged 6 to 10 years old for up to ten days in windowless rooms. Kids who tested negative, who had no symptoms, who came in contact though, with someone who had the virus. Starts at 3:48 https://youtu.be/xuASydTUatI?t=228 https://youtu.be/xuASydTUatI?t=228
  - purephase 5y ago
    I don't live in Quebec or have any knowledge of what is happening in that province, but this either sounds like there are mitigating situations that we're not aware of for this reaction, or an overreach by some board/school. In Ontario, we were asked to isolate at home if there was any close contact with COVID at school and use remote learning if it was available for your class.
  - loginatnine 5y ago
loginatnine 5y ago
Nobody eat outside, especially at -20C you're just lying. My 4 years old at the kindergarden doesn't wear a mask and neither does her classmates. She eats indoor every day. My 7 years old in first grade wears a mask indoor but not outdoor. She eats inside with all of her classmates, unmasked.
- 8note 5y ago
  I used to on occasion back in elementary school. It's -30 where everyone was required to be inside

sequoia 5y ago

NB for people outside Ontario: this is very likely a made-up untrue story. If parent commenter provides some details substantiating this unusual circumstance, I apologize in advance. What school district? This is nothing like what I've seen in the Toronto schools which tend to be more cautious due to population density here. I'm willing to believe this isn't a made up story, but am interested in details as this is very different from what I've heard or seen in Ontario. Also why can't your child see their friend's faces outside of school? This is all quite confusing.

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tagoregrtst 5y ago

My buddy lives near Hamilton. The stuff his kids are going through is insane.

purephase 5y ago
Yeah, I have 5 nieces and nephews and friends with kids that live and around Hamilton. Tell me what they're going through that's insane. Don't just drop comments like this without backing up your assertions, because it's false. Is it ideal for the kids right now? Fuck no. None of us want this. But to sell the narrative that there's a whole class of parents/teachers/administrators who are not trying their goddamned hardest to make this as easy on kids as possible, while stradling the line of what's responsible during a pandemic, is just belittling all of the effort being done for no discernable purpose at all.
- tagoregrtst 5y ago
  My oldest kid been going to in-class school since September 2020 [1]. Maskless since October 2021. She missed, in a year and a half, a total of two or three weeks of school. This is a blessing that my kid has received. I cant speak of your nieces. EDIT: [1] The year is correct, 2020.

908B64B197 5y ago

What? Covid is over. Everyone was unmasked yesterday at the Superbowl. I assume the premier's kids are going through the exact same restrictions. Socialized healthcare means you are all in this together right?

dade_ 5y ago
The premier's daughter is definitely unmasked, and an adult as calculated by age: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krista_Haynes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krista_Haynes https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-anti-vaccine-rants-from-doug-fords-daughter-are-now-a-matter-of/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-anti-vac...

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synthos 5y ago

So your daughter has remote learning or not? You can't make both arguments without clarifying. If she was remote learning she knows her teacher's face. If she isn't remote now she knows her teacher's face

armagon 5y ago
Presumably she goes to school in-person but everyone is wearing a mask.

synthos 5y ago

May I highlight this is your _very_ first comment on this website. Why did you suddenly decide to make an account and post your first comment here? Do you work in technology?

xdennis 5y ago
Because some people don't feel safe in the software industry to make comments under a username tied to their public identity when it comes to Covid (or other polarizing stuff). I've been on this website for about a decade, but this account I use now is only 10 months old.
- bentlegen 5y ago
  The only article I could find about "kids eating outside in the cold" is this one, which clarifies that "no, we won't be sending kids outside in the cold"[1]. If you can find one, let me know. I am a parent in Ontario and I've not heard a single anecdote about this from anyone. Regarding "as of today, there is no end in sight for these rules": there has been a plan in place for months outlining the key dates when mandates will be relaxed. Just hours before OPs comment, the Ontario government announced they will be accelerating that schedule by 4 days, and the vaccine passport will be retired in just 2 weeks.[2] Your comments re: new accounts are fair, but given the above I don't believe there is any truth to OPs comment, so I personally believe the account is intentionally created to spread FUD about the pandemic response in Canada and to create sympathy towards the convoy and its arguments. [1] https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/furey-school-board-nixes-attempts-to-make-kids-eat-lunch-outdoors-in-winter https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/furey-school-board-ni... [2] https://globalnews.ca/news/8617879/ontario-covid-restrictions-masks-vaccine-passports-announcement-ford/ https://globalnews.ca/news/8617879/ontario-covid-restriction...
- synthos 5y ago
  My comment or question was more rhetorical. There is a nigh-zero chance that the comment-OP responds to any of my questions or posts any more comments. I leave it to the reader to extrapolate why that is the case.
5y ago

boplicity 5y ago

My children in Ontario public schools eat inside -- always have. Strangely, when they eat, they even take off their masks and see the faces of their classmates. Even more strange, they see their classmates faces even with masks on, just a smaller portion of their faces. Today is quite cold, so they're not having outdoor recess at all. They're staying inside. Eating inside. Maybe your school district has different policies?

trhway 5y ago

In 1830 in Sebastopol it similarly took 2 years of pointless quarantine for people to rebel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol_plague_uprising https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol_plague_uprising The powers-to-be, civil and military, had great "business" going because of the quarantine by pillaging most of the funds the government provided for the city supplies (as the normal trade and supply was broken by the quarantine) while population was starving. The military doctors responsible for the quarantine received pay several folds higher than their usual pay. To maintain the supposed epidemic, ie. to generate sufficient number of deaths which were all chalked to plague even though in reality there weren't any plague cases, they for example forced people to sit in the sea in winter supposedly for public hygiene purposes, and naturally the malnourished population was getting ill and died in numbers. Anybody who showed any signs of any illness would be put into total quarantine into a hospital building with especially bad conditions which all but guaranteed the death.

purephase 5y ago

Unless there's some crazy school board out there, there's no way they have kids eating outside when it's -20. Most school boards won't even have outdoor recess on days like that. I have 11 nieces and nephews in 5 different school boards in Ontario, and not one of them has these restrictions. They eat indoors, they can take their masks off at lunch, and during gym class. Their teachers regularly post videos for students to watch, with their masks off, so that they can have that level of interaction with their students. We still do play dates with kids too. And birthday parties, where we can opt to go maskless if everyone is tested and comfortable with it.

synthos 5y ago
Thank you. Schoolboard don't risk lawsuit from freezing children. Parent post is pure misinformation from brand new account with, quite honestly, the most eyerolling 'Canadian' name someone thought of.
suckmore 5y ago
I don't live in Ontario and don't have kids, so I don't have any personal experience. This section of Joël Lightbound speech stood out to me though. It is regarding the apparent quarantine measures in Quebec. I can't substantiate it, so maybe it is completely sensationalized. >In Quebec in January 22, we've locked up kids aged 6 to 10 years old for up to ten days in windowless rooms. Kids who tested negative, who had no symptoms, who came in contact though, with someone who had the virus. Starts at 3:48 https://youtu.be/xuASydTUatI?t=228 https://youtu.be/xuASydTUatI?t=228
- purephase 5y ago
  I don't live in Quebec or have any knowledge of what is happening in that province, but this either sounds like there are mitigating situations that we're not aware of for this reaction, or an overreach by some board/school. In Ontario, we were asked to isolate at home if there was any close contact with COVID at school and use remote learning if it was available for your class.
- loginatnine 5y ago

loginatnine 5y ago

Nobody eat outside, especially at -20C you're just lying. My 4 years old at the kindergarden doesn't wear a mask and neither does her classmates. She eats indoor every day. My 7 years old in first grade wears a mask indoor but not outdoor. She eats inside with all of her classmates, unmasked.

8note 5y ago
I used to on occasion back in elementary school. It's -30 where everyone was required to be inside