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Why someone should go to such lengths in order to make someone money for free? Have companies just become a leech on public with tax evasion and discount and pr

Why someone should go to such lengths in order to make someone money for free? Have companies just become a leech on public with tax evasion and discount and private?

theraido 5y ago
<sarcasm>No obviously not, to evade taxes is to standup against communism! </sarcasm>
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simonw 5y ago
Giving something away for free is an extremely effective way of promoting your other paid projects. In this case the project helps get https://www.creative-tim.com/ https://www.creative-tim.com/ in front of a lot more people.
- lnxg33k1 5y ago
  You can give it for free to individuals or place it on behance, and not just up for use for companies, but regardless of the specific site, I feel like it's being frustrating to see companies forgetting the social value of letting currency go around, and always asking for freebies, bailouts, tax discounts, laying off people to hire cheap labour or with lesser rights, I am not sure I am generalising it's just that its become a very huge weight on my productivity, I feel like labour is not valued anymore is not appreciated anymore and the only god has become the profit and dividends, and it's affecting my productivity and ability to trust people I work with, I am at my third job changed within a year and I started 2 weeks ago, and I already see conversation about hiring part of the team in Ukraine cuz its free and am almost going to send a resignation letter, other than unappreciated I am starting to feel dirty every time I am at a company.. I guess my post was just part of a deeper frustration that I am going through at the moment and which I can't see the end of
  - baremetal 5y ago
    > other than unappreciated I am starting to feel dirty every time I am at a company.. i left corporate america for that reason, amongst others. started my own business. its great. bonus points i only hire people i can work with and there is no HR or politics to muck things up.
Majestic121 5y ago
Some people like to be useful in general. Others enjoy their craft, do it for fun, and make it available to the public in a nice way. Another reason could be that it also provides advertisement for the person providing the work. The 'money for free' angle is very strange to me : a lot of things provide value, it's not a bad thing to provide something for free, even if companies can use it as well.
zild3d 5y ago
Couldn't you say the same about most open source software?
tsumnia 5y ago
As someone who built a free educational platform - I do it because I want my students to have quality learning without feeding into the $300 textbook industry. I'm funded through my career, so it is a passion project. I wanted to build the thing, so I did. I'm not interested in taking on the responsibilities for making it a profitable company.
- lnxg33k1 5y ago
  So yeah my point was not about private to help other people or kids, it's the freebies toward companies who do stuff for a profit and are paid, and take free stuff, it's a bit less disgusting than restaurants who expect people to tip their staff for wage
npteljes 5y ago
>Why free? Surely you don't do everything for monetary compensation? Maintaining a contact, helping a friend move, having a guest, teaching someone something, people do all sorts of stuff for free. Just because feel like it, inclined to the thing itself, promoting their other work, wanting to make the world a better place. Ruin others' similar efforts, to emerge as a monopoly and excercise larger control[0]. There's plenty of reasons. [0] https://www.gwern.net/Complement https://www.gwern.net/Complement
- lnxg33k1 5y ago
  I would say that I think you missed the part where I wrote "Why someone should go to such lengths in order to make someone money for free?" To recap, I would help a friend move, because he is.. well, my friend? I have a guest... because I invited him and he is not going to take the food I prepared to sell it outside my house? And you can of course promote your work, people have been doing that since ever, you can do that with also licenses where people can see but not sell But yeah I think I didn't put enough emphasis at this point on "Why someone should go to such lengths in order to make someone money for free?" where the important idea is "To make someone money"
  - npteljes 5y ago
    Yes you're right, I missed that. To be frank, this changes my argument completely. It's also the reason why, when talking about open source, I dislike the MIT and other such permissive licenses, and prefer the GPL world. Because it seems like that the GNU people are on the same side regarding this argument. Even then, this license permits for that making someone else richer scenario, but at least not at the complete expense of the original author.

Why someone should go to such lengths in order to make someone money for free? Have companies just become a leech on public with tax evasion and discount and private?

theraido 5y ago

<sarcasm>No obviously not, to evade taxes is to standup against communism! </sarcasm>

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simonw 5y ago

Giving something away for free is an extremely effective way of promoting your other paid projects. In this case the project helps get https://www.creative-tim.com/ https://www.creative-tim.com/ in front of a lot more people.

lnxg33k1 5y ago
You can give it for free to individuals or place it on behance, and not just up for use for companies, but regardless of the specific site, I feel like it's being frustrating to see companies forgetting the social value of letting currency go around, and always asking for freebies, bailouts, tax discounts, laying off people to hire cheap labour or with lesser rights, I am not sure I am generalising it's just that its become a very huge weight on my productivity, I feel like labour is not valued anymore is not appreciated anymore and the only god has become the profit and dividends, and it's affecting my productivity and ability to trust people I work with, I am at my third job changed within a year and I started 2 weeks ago, and I already see conversation about hiring part of the team in Ukraine cuz its free and am almost going to send a resignation letter, other than unappreciated I am starting to feel dirty every time I am at a company.. I guess my post was just part of a deeper frustration that I am going through at the moment and which I can't see the end of
- baremetal 5y ago
  > other than unappreciated I am starting to feel dirty every time I am at a company.. i left corporate america for that reason, amongst others. started my own business. its great. bonus points i only hire people i can work with and there is no HR or politics to muck things up.

Majestic121 5y ago

Some people like to be useful in general. Others enjoy their craft, do it for fun, and make it available to the public in a nice way. Another reason could be that it also provides advertisement for the person providing the work. The 'money for free' angle is very strange to me : a lot of things provide value, it's not a bad thing to provide something for free, even if companies can use it as well.

zild3d 5y ago

Couldn't you say the same about most open source software?

tsumnia 5y ago

As someone who built a free educational platform - I do it because I want my students to have quality learning without feeding into the $300 textbook industry. I'm funded through my career, so it is a passion project. I wanted to build the thing, so I did. I'm not interested in taking on the responsibilities for making it a profitable company.

lnxg33k1 5y ago
So yeah my point was not about private to help other people or kids, it's the freebies toward companies who do stuff for a profit and are paid, and take free stuff, it's a bit less disgusting than restaurants who expect people to tip their staff for wage

npteljes 5y ago

>Why free? Surely you don't do everything for monetary compensation? Maintaining a contact, helping a friend move, having a guest, teaching someone something, people do all sorts of stuff for free. Just because feel like it, inclined to the thing itself, promoting their other work, wanting to make the world a better place. Ruin others' similar efforts, to emerge as a monopoly and excercise larger control[0]. There's plenty of reasons. [0] https://www.gwern.net/Complement https://www.gwern.net/Complement

lnxg33k1 5y ago
I would say that I think you missed the part where I wrote "Why someone should go to such lengths in order to make someone money for free?" To recap, I would help a friend move, because he is.. well, my friend? I have a guest... because I invited him and he is not going to take the food I prepared to sell it outside my house? And you can of course promote your work, people have been doing that since ever, you can do that with also licenses where people can see but not sell But yeah I think I didn't put enough emphasis at this point on "Why someone should go to such lengths in order to make someone money for free?" where the important idea is "To make someone money"
- npteljes 5y ago
  Yes you're right, I missed that. To be frank, this changes my argument completely. It's also the reason why, when talking about open source, I dislike the MIT and other such permissive licenses, and prefer the GPL world. Because it seems like that the GNU people are on the same side regarding this argument. Even then, this license permits for that making someone else richer scenario, but at least not at the complete expense of the original author.