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>It’s about a company with which it and ALL other tech giants contract content moderation work. Can you please cite a source for this claim? While it's true th

>It’s about a company with which it and ALL other tech giants contract content moderation work. Can you please cite a source for this claim? While it's true that Sama has partnerships with companies such as, according to the article and to Sama's website[1], Google, Microsoft and Wal-Mart, it's not entirely clear that they're also doing content moderation for all of them. They seem to offer a wide range of services. >Formal economy jobs paying $250-$300/mo with a steady employment outlook for entry/low-skill work can be hard to come by in many -if not most- countries of the world, never mind Africa alone Ah, right, because if you're lucky enough to be making more than your peers, you should shut up and deal with doing so in a horrible environment. [1]https://www.sama.com/ https://www.sama.com/

Proven 5y ago
Kalium 5y ago
> Ah, right, because if you're lucky enough to be making more than your peers, you should shut up and deal with doing so in a horrible environment. Not precisely, but a person's choices should generally be considered in light of the alternatives reasonably available to them. If nothing else, it's often a great way to better understand the choices people make. Not every person has fast, easy, low-risk access to a six-figure USD SWE job with a YCombinator startup.
- giraffe_lady 5y ago
  Yes but when you laser focus on this fact above all overs, as someone always does when they come up on HN, you are positioning yourself more as "sweatshop apologist" than "global labor market understander."
  - Kalium 5y ago
    I would go so far as to suggest that the article is framed in a way designed to divide people into "Facebook haters and/or defenders of the exploited" and "sweatshop apologist" camps. Generally this has the side effect of making it difficult to be a global labor market understander.
BurningFrog 5y ago
> Ah, right, because if you're lucky enough to be making more than your peers, you should shut up and deal with doing so in a horrible environment. These are the best jobs these people can get. If the "sweatshop" closes down, they're be doing somewhere worse. Maybe you throw out this shitty provocation as a way to avoid thinking about that fact?
- jjulius 5y ago
  If "the best jobs these people can get" amount to viewing untold volumes of graphic content of wildly varying extremes, then we should absolutely be having a conversation about how employers should be treating them. Edit: We can - and should - be working to improve conditions for everyone, but just because "these people" have it better relative to everyone else in their immediate vicinity doesn't mean they need to shut up, be thankful and deal with it.
  - BurningFrog 5y ago
    You keep arguing that these workers shouldn't have to shut up. Which nobody here has said. So we don't seem to be in the same conversation.
    - jjulius 5y ago
      I feel like you're seizing too literally on that phrase. Let's get on the same page before we continue... >These are the best jobs these people can get. If the "sweatshop" closes down, they're be doing somewhere worse. The implication that I read here is that you're saying "these people" should be grateful for having to work under the conditions they're working under because life could always be worse and this is the best they will have it. Is that an accurate read of your comment?
      - BurningFrog 5y ago
        Not at all. Why would I have opinion about what poor africans "should" feel? Who even thinks like that? I just meant what I wrote. The implication, to spell it out, is that if you succeed in closing down these jobs, you'll make life worse for the workers you claim to care about. BTW, why do you quote "these people"?

Proven 5y ago

Kalium 5y ago

> Ah, right, because if you're lucky enough to be making more than your peers, you should shut up and deal with doing so in a horrible environment. Not precisely, but a person's choices should generally be considered in light of the alternatives reasonably available to them. If nothing else, it's often a great way to better understand the choices people make. Not every person has fast, easy, low-risk access to a six-figure USD SWE job with a YCombinator startup.

giraffe_lady 5y ago
Yes but when you laser focus on this fact above all overs, as someone always does when they come up on HN, you are positioning yourself more as "sweatshop apologist" than "global labor market understander."
- Kalium 5y ago
  I would go so far as to suggest that the article is framed in a way designed to divide people into "Facebook haters and/or defenders of the exploited" and "sweatshop apologist" camps. Generally this has the side effect of making it difficult to be a global labor market understander.

BurningFrog 5y ago

> Ah, right, because if you're lucky enough to be making more than your peers, you should shut up and deal with doing so in a horrible environment. These are the best jobs these people can get. If the "sweatshop" closes down, they're be doing somewhere worse. Maybe you throw out this shitty provocation as a way to avoid thinking about that fact?

jjulius 5y ago
If "the best jobs these people can get" amount to viewing untold volumes of graphic content of wildly varying extremes, then we should absolutely be having a conversation about how employers should be treating them. Edit: We can - and should - be working to improve conditions for everyone, but just because "these people" have it better relative to everyone else in their immediate vicinity doesn't mean they need to shut up, be thankful and deal with it.
- BurningFrog 5y ago
  You keep arguing that these workers shouldn't have to shut up. Which nobody here has said. So we don't seem to be in the same conversation.
  - jjulius 5y ago
    I feel like you're seizing too literally on that phrase. Let's get on the same page before we continue... >These are the best jobs these people can get. If the "sweatshop" closes down, they're be doing somewhere worse. The implication that I read here is that you're saying "these people" should be grateful for having to work under the conditions they're working under because life could always be worse and this is the best they will have it. Is that an accurate read of your comment?
    - BurningFrog 5y ago
      Not at all. Why would I have opinion about what poor africans "should" feel? Who even thinks like that? I just meant what I wrote. The implication, to spell it out, is that if you succeed in closing down these jobs, you'll make life worse for the workers you claim to care about. BTW, why do you quote "these people"?